The Definition of WAREZ

im from switzerland , and here the term "warez" is kinda different to other countries , since :

(after actual law):

im allowed to copy ANY media (cd/rom , dvd/rom etc) ,
im allowed to REMOVE or AVOID Copy-Protection (most countries dont)
im allowed to give copies to family AND friends (no go tell me who isnt my friend ? )

aslong as i dont sell , im perfectly save.

now for all the p2p stuff , kazaa ? sharereactor , emule are good ? geez gime a break. only dc++ is good , consider you know where to go lol.

best is irc for public , or having dump axx , believe me , THATS w^hat you want


anyway , my philosophie about warez (and those of most rls groups)

you like it , you buy it. Look at warez as a big demo (or as a demo it should be).

I was reading through these post and found it ironic that none of the "experts" on warez even mentioned the true source of warez. The only people that use kazaa and other p2p clients like those are about 5 years behind and should go play with their pong game.

The main source for warez is in the form of bittorrents. They have games, movies, apps , and music. There are even releases well in advance of the store date. To go to kazaa and look through peoples files is archaic when you could use a bittorrent client and dl an entire discography of a particular artist.

Amen brother, Seems they arent so 1337 either. Kazaa sucks, and most of the other p2p programs blow chunks also. Warez dumps which arent reffered as those anymore. Bittorrent is the future of gaining pirated material. However warez forums still exist, I know of a few.Mirc,which was mentioned earlier is the old standby for warez,many active servers still exist, and usually are kept up to date with new releases.

well, just my opinion.. one cannot get rare, hard to find, old files thru bittorrent, and as of date most of the reputed bittorrent sites are down... cheers... pupupupu

good idea... thanks

1.Its not full of viruses if u update it.
2.There arent fakes if u know ur stuff.
3.And theres no **** if ur in NZ! :blacgrin

of course it should stay illegal on most of the planet, it would be not much fun and would not be "pirating" if it would be legalized or not forbidden

i think its perfect how it is these days, actually i liked the 80's a bit better because it was a bigger challenge to crack a game and they groups all put they little intros in front of the games ,i miss those times ; )

I may get flamed for this but not a single poster has mentioned newsgroups.

I no longer abuse the system and would rather pay for a game/app that I enjoy/use than try to deprive a hard working male/female of their wages. So what if you have to put the cd/dvd into the computer to get software to work. These warez sites/torrents have forced this upon us. If the software houses really believed that every copy of their software was purchased then they wouldn't go to such absurd lengths to protect their intelectual property.

Not one single computer user has a problem purchasing hardware legitimately but the majority feel it is their right to have all the software they want for free. How would you all feel if during the night someone broke into your home and stole a part of your computer because that person didn't want to pay for it. Do shoplifters get praised because they have managed to remove products from a shop without paying for it. I think not.

I have used and abused computers for more than half my life and it is so obvious that all the requests for no cd cracks are because the majority do not have the original/purchased software.

There are 5 or so pages on a halflife2 no cd crack. It is so simple to get half life2 to play without a cd/dvd.

1. Remove halflife2/steam etc.;
2. re-install steam - logging into your original account.
3. Click 'Play games' and select half life 2
4. Steam will download and unpack hl2
5. Play the game.

How is that hard - my original dvd stays in the case - never to get damaged.

With regards to other titles - LOOK AFTER THE MEDIA - simple.

I have cd's dating back to 1985, vinyl dating before that. They all work. WHY?

I look after them - no cracks - no warez - just care.

I'm sure other members who use vinyl don't post asking for a no vinyl patch for a record so why do users feel it is their right to have to have a no cd patch for new technology?

Put the CD/DVD in the computer and enjoy the product you have paid for rather than this constant moaning that there is no crack for v1.03 of the latest game/app.

Warez will always be available - society demands it. Catch 22 situation. Software is expensive. Why? Because it's copied. Stop pirating software and the price will drop but were all too impatient to wait so the prices remain high. Prices are high so people pirate software. In the end - there will be a loser and I feel it will be the genuine consumer who just wants to play a game.

Last thought to the poster who believes that torrents are the true source of warez. Wake up

I am just jumping in at the end of this topic, so....

I think that the industry is wasting time protecting the media. Very soon it will possible to get your all content online rather than in physical form. Where are we to store our movies/games when we download them? Console games will be downloadable. Nintendo is going to make sure of that. If these companies would shift their focus to advancing game creation/artistic pursuits, they would be able to cut costs. Right now they spend a huge amount fighting pirates. If they focused less on defense, they could advance their control of the online market. audio cds are a good example. They try and try to make them uncopiable, spending huge amounts to research this worthless pursiut. Only to have someone circumvent their protection in weeks or days, or hours. They should see that if some kid in his moms basement is willing to spend his free time breaking what they spend millions to secure that they cannot win.

but anyway...

To me warez, isnt warez anymore.. back in the day like 6 years ago, it was warez, when they just posted ftps to get programs and games.. where cds where floating around my school with thousands of dollars worth of software on it. Thats warez... nowadays its Mirc triggers which are gay, movies.. which are crap and fricken mp3'z which is pointless... the only thing warez is good for anymore is movies and mp3'z. But who would bother to download a movie that looks like crap, unless its on DVD Then it looks good, and with napster and bearshare and all those, why bother gettin mp3'z from them anymore. Warez just plain sucks!! :-D

Warez sites indeed contain ALOT of viruses and porn, it does not take alot of 'wisdom' to say that they are not usefull to people! Warez may contain something useful you wont find anyware else..... but again thats just a pile of *unwanted matter*!! So to be smart, stay away from warez to help the community....

Why Does Warez even exist when hardly anyone does not go to their sites. Their sites are full of Viruses, Porn, Spam, Evrything thats malicious to a person. Bother not to enter their s***!

You can still Download Games Now, Its not all over the place like before though... only in shareware Programes and Corrupt sites which very few people know, On limewire (and Others) however you can find Anything, And I mean Anything! Music downloads is The main Use for it, But A vast Veriety of Games Also. Hell, I cant download a game because My connection sux! LOL

nice, heated , discussion. im just passing through.

i admit it! i have the balls to stand up ans say ive copied games, cracked stuff, an all of that.
however, thats in the past. now, when i see a game i really want, i buy it, and its worth every penny usually. if someone gave me a game, id copy it, play it and decide wether it was any good or no. if no, then no-one has lost out. now this is where my argument comes in: those who say warez is like shopliftin are correct in a sense if its a well used program, but if you are never going to get the game/app anyway, then noone loses theoretically. eg - i was never going to buy gta:sa ever - had better things to do, then a mate gave me it cracked and i played it, loved it. but i was NEVER gonna buy it, even if i had played a demo, because it wasnt really the best game in the world.

am i digging myself into a hole here? have i made any sense at all?

no excuses any more

Reading the first old posts on this thread. And noticing that old reply of that user defining "Piratism" instead of Piracy . What a bunch of garbage. Never heard something more stupid in my life

Pretty interesting opinions, some of which gave me good time reading through.

Warez is all about stealing stuff that belongs to other people, I trust everyone agrees to that. Therefore, warez is bad and it should be condemned, opposed to, hindered and made hard to come by as much as possible.

However, I tend to believe that under certain conditions, people actually can be justified for practicing warez, so to speak. A few examples:

Half-life 2 and the Steam ++++

I absolutelly DETEST and HATE when a piece of software (no matter game or app) calls constantly home for validation, update, whatever - I really friggin CANNOT stand this. I want it when I buy something that I use it at MY convenience, hassle-free, not having to care if I have internet connection at the moment or not. And the Valve's infamous Steam ++++ used to get on my nerves every time I wanted to play Half-life 2... So? I sold my legal copy and will never ever even consider purchasing anything from Valve again, although I cannot promise I will not try out their stuff. It is perfect example how an idiotic company prone to lying about their release dates turns a legit customer into... well, you know what.

StarForce protection

Perfect example why people must NOT buy anything (or generally aquire it legally) that is protected with this ++++. I got a game - believe it was Spellforce 2 - which put this Starforce ++++ on my computer behind my back, and hopla - when I tried to update my motherboard driver (VIA chipset), computer was coming up with the Blue Screen of Death nonstop. Man, if I could have laid my hands on the idiot that invented the idiotic StarForce, that person would have long been burried and rotting.

Py point is - Warez is to some extent a response to stupid and short-sighted corporation people, who do not really care about their product and even less about the legit customers, but try to make a fast buck.

One last thing - I personally trust that people have all good reasons to seek and use NoCD as a tool for protecting their investments. Should I have thought better a few years ago, I would still have working my legit CDs with Tomb Raider 2 Premier, Wordperfect Suite 8 Pro and a few other things.

Greets.

Some 1 like to tell me why this thread seems to be 1/2 about what warez is and 1/2 about the best place to download em from??

any way.

If you guys get ya selvs messed up pcs cos of your warez stuff (i prounounce it juares)
Then please dont come crying for help :redno:
I wont say you deserve what ya get, becous i used to be prety bad at distributing software,
But really just go buy the things. its safer.

il tell you why.

the way i used to make my pirated stuff would be to ********* and then id ******* after that id ********* and make a *******, finaly id make a reg file to install the game.
(its how come i love the registry,) But it also means i could prety much add anything i liked on your pc's and register them indirectly to any other part of your pc.

Now this dosent mean that id make you download files or upload stuff to me. (detectable none profitable and traceable)

but it takes like 1 line of text in a reg file to dissable your abilaty to use exe files.
and render your pc usless untill fixed.
(most warez users would be forced to format, cos you cant reinstall windows if you cant run exe's and you can cause the boot install to fail every time if you know what to edit)
and if i dissabled .com files as well Then ya gonna need my help, Cos without format.com you cant format.
and maby il charge you Money for the help. Actually it wouldnt take all that many lines of text to dissable ALL your shel extentions. Then what ya gonna do apart from ask me how to fix it,
(youd ask me becous ya desktop back ground tells you to contact me to fix it. )

Easiest thing in the world to do. Mess up their pc's Leave a message letting em know what itl cost to fix it (more than game was worth) and they cant do anything cos it was illigaly downloaded.
And its stated that it was right there on their desk tops cos i made it happen.

"(The illigal software you just downloaded, has dissabled all your file extentions. your mouse and your keyboard , if you want me to fix it send 50 to "pobox whatever along with your address, and il send you a cd that will boot and fix it"
Think a cd will arive?
50/50 at best....
Then what do you do?
course you could boot from cd. Shame that the registry enrties just crashed the install as you were getting there. Or you could rip out the offending hard disk and install windows on to a nother hard disk, and then reinstall the 1st hdd and fix it like that. "but is it worth it?"

Then again If i didnt want ya money.
it takes 1 line of regestry text to make MSN "for instance" link to format.com
And as msn boots on start up. Format boots on start up instead.

Wake up and smell the coffe.
You download wares and you give people Who arent as nice as me the perfect opertunity to mess with ya stuff.

And ive just told them how to. And im sure A few money grabbers will be poping these files all over the place...

I mean.
Make a miniimage of a game any game , Size is say 2.8gb but size on disk is 21.8mb
use magic iso to add the regfile you want to run there.
Edit the autorun file to start the reg file.
Warez guy mounts it Auto run runs.
And there ya are In a bad situation...

Im sure some of you are thinking HEY that can work (yes it can) and you may start doing it.
But so may others.
think about it.


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All done editing now maby i need to fix some spelling mistakes But i wont be adding more.

No, I cannot agree about your point for Valve's Steam. If they really care about user-friendly updates and so forth, they can make nice downloadable patches and updates like other decent companies do, and make them available on their site for download. Thus, one can get those at convenient time, store them on the computer or on CDs, and use them whenever feels like it. This is how I am used to and like to proceed, and all my friends that are gamers. To give you an example - one friend let me play Episode 1 on his computer, with legit copy of the expansion. The guy was complaining that every time he proceeded to update the game, there was a problem of some sort - and I experienced this myself too, although I finished the expansion in 2 quick runs altogether. Yeah, Valve may say that it is not their problem, it is a problem with the connection from our side, but I would not buy this for nothing.

And also, I am not advocating that the reason for not liking something or some practice gives you the right to cross the law. I am just saying that every action triggers a similar reaction, so companies like Valve and others using questionable practices more or less got what they deserve instead of what they would expect from their point of view...

I agree Steam is a pile of ++++. One of the most horribles Softwares ever created.Some people say is good but I can' see anything useful on it.Maybe good for valve but for the users makes everything more difficult. I hate because of that you said. I lke to manually download the patches stores them for archival purpouses and with the Steam pile of scum you can't do that. i hate auto update crap in games I like have the control of the patches myselff. If you want to format your computer.storing you Steam account settings is a pain. one you do a clean install you have to download that big useless junk updates again and take lots of time . I also hate the way Steam acts everytime detects an active internet connecting have to connect to the internet for search for more useless crap like spyware I know it isn't spyware but acts in a similar way and and don't let you to play the game is better put a firewall of something to nlock the connection because Steam do it's ++++. and completely hyper moronic and retarded having to be on-line to play offline single player like steam was at the beginning. I was near to buy Battlefield 2142 but I hear on some forum that had some crap like Hl2 that had to be online to play single player and actually the single player was bad so I left it and bought another game instead

Yeah BF2142, required an internet connection as standard, as you need to register its CD Key with an EA account, so its similar to Steam in that respect.

As for Steam, I have a few small issues with it, but I still like it, I like how it keeps your games constantly updated, so theres no "version mis-match" when you join an online game.

Like you said, when you installing Steam from fresh, waiting for all the updates and stuff is a pain in the arse.

wow

in the topic of WAREZ i got reported becasue i got a WAREZ version of starcraft and asked if there was an online patch for it. is that any reason to be reported?

but i wasnt posting it

i wasnt posting my WAREZ i was just asking if there was an online patch/crack. ive seen many patches and cracks on MG i dont see why i would get reported for saying i need a patch. w/e its not illegal for me unless i make a profit off it actualy =p:dance:

emulators

would emulators be considered WAREZ because they are pretty much free games posted by someone. but they have emulators on MG. if emulators are WAREZ does that make MG a bunch of hipocrits

:birthday:

its an old tread but as it did not turn in to flaming i still respond (again) as i find it very interesting subject

the thing is that warez unlike popular believes do not come from warez sites, the guys who try that will learn they lesson soon with viruses and Trojans : )

there are plenty of ways geting your warez "clean" (not meaning legal)

and the thing about "hard work" is that the profit wont end up by the coders, not even in the department of where the guys work (i worked for activision) but it desapears in the corporate world... so dont feel sorry for the programmers, graphic artists, musicians, bands, artist, ...

i say (from my own experience) pirate the data and if you like it send some cash to the people creating it DIRECTLY, it wont make it legal BUT it make it all RIGHT

there are plenty of ways doing this from check/MO to paypal, or just ask the guys directly with an email

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i argue about this issue a lot, and it funny to see that the people who respond aggressively to pirating subject are most of the time involved with publishing/distribution or law enforcement NOT the actual artist/coders.. i think i dont have to color out WHY : ) as a programmer you do not have many choices how you can turn your talent in to cash .. after all the corps made sure that you cant market your own product and most coders/artist are broke and need fast cash anyhow .. they just get taken advantage of

so support you product by paying your favorite artist/coders directly ! fock the system !

i think warez its not completely free like before , ex: free download software