Some religious Questions???

[Anubis]

I would like to ask a few questions to all and hear your opinions .

1. Do you think GOD or people will destroy the earth before his return and if so will we live on a earth2 if so how are we going to get there with our technical knowhow?

2.How badly do you have to sin in order to be destroyed by god and burn in hell at the end?
What I mean is If I were to break one or 2 of the 10 commandments lets say I steel something or lie to people every day will I be just as bad as someone who murdered somebody or will god beforgiving and let me live in the new eden?

3.after the return of god what will we do and will we still have our technolligy(Electric,Heat,Pluming,ect. and will we have a memory of what happened in the past?
I ask because does anyony know the reason god is piunishing us in the first place.
It is because we ate from the tree of knoledge of good and evil.
So if god takes our memorys away so we don't know evil what will we do, what happens.
This means no more scary movies, no more action fighting games ,and no more really good sex.
Will we just sit in feilds and play harps allday?
Or maybe we will have to work like slaves all day like ahmesh people.

Well with that thought in mind I will have to wrap this up and post my questions.

P.S. Don't mind my pour spelling and typing errors as I am half asleep and am to lazy to use spell checker.

Thanks guys.:o ZzZzZzzzzzzzz

[Bandit]

1.People will maybe destroy the earth, i think we will be living in earth 2 but we wont remember nothing.
2.You have to sin real bad like murder, steeling is badder than lieying he might forgive you to do that you have to be real good.

3.I think our memory will be gone, the reasons why god punishes us because we are been bad to people, yes it does mean no scary movie or sex.

Its like restrating a computer.

[parkermon]

Hmmmm, well. I can't say I should really be posting here. Devout atheist and all...

But at the rate we're going, God ain't gonna find much...just some space-dust...

Mikhael

[Outlawz]

ok here we go hold on to ya hats

1) We will develop a new ozone layer and god and his meteorits wont be able to get us :p

2) ive broken just about all 10 im still here

3)wtf have you been smoking m8 !

[Fawn]

Ok. I'm an independent baptist so these are my views on the whole thing. Here goes nothing!

1.) As it says in the bible, God is going to cleanse the earth. Ain't gonna matter how bad we mess it up because HE is gonna have the final say. ".....the blood will flow up to the horses bridle.." in the end days. I mean, nothing happens that he doesn't know.

2.) First off, everyone is a sinner. And one sin is considered as bad as the next. Whether you murder someone or steal a stick of chewing gum. And the only way of preventing you from everlasting burning hell is to except him as your saviour.

3.) After the return of God and the earth has been cleansed we will come down to reside with him there for eternity. Our bodies are going to be heavenly ones. We are not going to want for the things we do now. Scary movies, video games, sex, ice cream..whatever. We will be content just being in his presence.

And those are my views in a nutshell.

~Fawn

[Outlawz]

my god the land of the righteous is here :p pa poppy c**k

[Fawn]

Hey whatever. They're just my beliefs. After all, opinions are just like a@@holes. Everyone's got one.

[Outlawz]

yeah and i had my opinion :flame:

[Geordie Girl]

I don't believe in all this God stuff and eternal damnation but each to their own:)
@ Vile :p

[Revelation]

/me agrees with Fawn

[anjilslaire]

If you're asking whether God or people will destroy the earth first, you obviously believe in God to begin with. The Bible clearly states, as Fawn says, that all sin is alike in His eyes, and Jesus will return on the last day to reclaim His own.

Just because you believe in God doesn't save you either. It says, "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that - and shudder." And don't go thinking works can save you, either.

[mrhotmail]

This is why religion should not be discussed on forums,(people get too defensive) and should be kept OUT of school.

[anjilslaire]

Oh, I totally believe it should be not taught in school. I only responded because it was asked.

[mrhotmail]

Originally posted by anjilslaire
Oh, I totally believe it should be not taught in school. I only responded because it was asked.

Understood:)

[Outlawz]

Religion is total BS it was setup as a form of evil those who are religious are evil :grin2:

[anjilslaire]

If there's no religion, there's no good or evil, right?

[Outlawz]

nah if there was no religion thed be no wars no problems

[Dan]

yep u right
No religion=No problems

[anjilslaire]

That's the most ignorant thing I've heard in a looong time. You actually think a moral stance is responsible for every conflict in history?
The idea of the big bang is about as possible as blowing up a Radio Shack as having the parts come down as an assembled radio. Yeah, that's going to happen.

[anjilslaire]

Nice Sig for your statement, Dan ;)

[Dan]

i know ;)

[parkermon]

Originally posted by MrHotmail
and should be kept OUT of school.

He he. Reminds me of that Simpsons episode -

"God has as much place in school as fact does in organised religion!" - Superintendent Chalmers

[Outlawz]

Originally posted by anjilslaire
That's the most ignorant thing I've heard in a looong time. You actually think a moral stance is responsible for every conflict in history?
The idea of the big bang is about as possible as blowing up a Radio Shack as having the parts come down as an assembled radio. Yeah, that's going to happen.

i cant explain how we got here and me ignorant :grin2: you really shouldnt jump to the wrong conclusions should you

And what causes 99% of wars hmm yes Religion
Now if there was a man who could turn water into wine he's a good lad but if there was dont you think tescos would of worked out how to by now :grin2:

[Black Veg]

no religion - no war?

Nice idea, but what about the Nazi regimen? or what about Soviet russia? both of the 2 most cursed regimens the world has ever seen, yet both did not have religion.

What about inner conflicts? Or between nationas of the same religion?

EDIT: Outlawz the claim that 99% of wars were because of religion is far from the truth.

I am not using this, to say religion is good, I am not proving anything with this claim, but it makes your arguement about "no religions no war" look bad.

Something else - you are all talking about the Christian religion and "the bible" addressing only the diff "cults" of christianity - Haven't heard anybody talk about Orient based religions, The Jewish religion, Islam - Whether it is Shiia Islam or Suna, you also have the Arab- Duroz religious system....There are more religions than just one.

Anyway my point is don't say religions is the cause for your own faults, face your faults don't pin them on scapegoats...If a man is bad - than he is bad! a religion doesn't make him become bad....Moreover a religion could change him for the better.

Also a religion in itself, isn't evil/bad or anything like that, man is.....

[Outlawz]

im evil because i believe in satan only

And maybe you could say thats a religion but the nazis was to make a superior race hmmm race yes thats back to the divides of culture that links back to religion , i dont need to prove my point maybe 99 is a bit we will say 95% then

[Black Veg]

Not even close - you are grasping, Nazi Germany had no religion.

They believed in a concept created by Darwin - they believed in a scientific theory!

Not a religion but a scientific theory- Learn about Germany before WW II, it is a very interesting topic - see the roots of the scientific theories find their way into all parts of life- the codex of laws (EGB if I am not mistaken), into the arts....

(You can look for more information in Social study books, history books, even intro books to German law very interesting topic).

Most wars were for minerals- water, land etc etc....

The religion was not what lead these people into wars, it was their own leaders (Just look at the amount of wars in the arab world or in the old days) Or Human-leaders that were interpreting religious books for their own use and their own good.

The search for a scapegoat, in the form of religion doesn't clean man of his own sins or crimes....He, who fights is man not god and the religious books.

[Outlawz]

nah reading bores me i have much better things to do like take the piss ;)

[Raine]

Well,then...why don't you just go ahead and do that while the grown-ups talk about the serious things...you need to grow up!!!! Make sure you don't miss the toilet,now...better yet, why don't you flush yourself down the toilet along with your opinions!

[Outlawz]

Originally posted by Raine
Well,then...why don't you just go ahead and do that while the grown-ups talk about the serious things...you need to grow up!!!! Make sure you don't miss the toilet,now...better yet, why don't you flush yourself down the toilet along with your opinions!

LMAO funny aint ya grandma you know sometimes people need to learm to take a joke unfortunatly you obviously cant
Oh well maybe you need to invest in a firewall honey :p
Either that or maybe you should step the feck off my opinions they are my own i can share with who i want.

An trust me the lord cant save you from a pissed off outlawz, So i suggest stop flaming me learn to take a joke or see the evil side of me

Understood or maybe you need it in bible talk.

"thou shall not upset one so great cos a plague of evil falls upon those who slanderish the great"

[Zafiras]

opiniative yes... threats no.... c'mon guys

anyhows back to the topic... what the hell does it matter , it wont be long til we have the chance of seeing all hell break loose.... there aint no devil nor no god, just sadam Hussain and George Bush... and they get there own way we wont have the chance to scratch our own a$$e$ let alone look for a new place

[Inquisitor]

Anymore threats & :flame: I will close this thread.

Play nice :)

Anyway here are the answers to your questions from my friend.

1. Jesus predicted that there would be wars, famines and earthquakes that might seem like the end of the world but not to be alarmed because it won't happen until Jesus comes back and there is no way for anyone to know when that will happen- could be a long wait, could happen any moment. Beyond that he didn't tell us anything about what might happen in the future so your guess is as good as mine. (Matthew chapter 24 verses 3-7 and verses 42-44)

2. Believe it or not, you and I are both bad enough to deserve hell! Most people think they are not that bad but God knows our hearts better than we do. Jesus pointed out that when we curse someone or lust after a stranger on the internet we are showing the kind of people we really are. If we were in different circumstances (different parents, different culture, not so worried about what people would think or about going to jail) we could do all the terrible things that we want God to stop- even rape or murder! You ask is God forgiving - yes totally, that is why Jesus died. BUT forgiveness does not mean God saying "you are not that bad" it means God saying "you are that bad and worse but Jesus died to take the punishment you deserve." God offers us forgiveness but to receive it we have to stop pretending that we are good people and turn to Jesus for help. (Matthew chapter 5 verses 21-22 and 27-28)

3. A close look at Genesis in the original Hebrew shows that eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil does not mean what you might think from a quick reading of the English. What it means is that people do not want to allow God to decide what is right and wrong we want to make those decisions ourselves. We want to be god of our own lives and say "I will do such and such because I believe it is a good thing to do even if God says it is an evil thing to do." In other words we think we "know" what is "good" and what is "evil" better than God knows it. Remember this world's scary movies, action games and sex are actually a mix of the stuff God invented like excitement, adrenelin, good stories and good sex, and the things that we invented like pain, fear, rape, getting dumped and loneliness. After Jesus returns the two get separated out and we will either enjoy the bits God invented the whole time or suffer the things we invented the whole time- only we have to choose now! (see for example Gordon Wenham's Word Biblical Commentary on Genesis 2 and 3.)

[Sublyme]

As some of you obviously have strong religious beliefs could you clear something up for me.

You all adhere clearly to the doctrine that god created the Earth, life, the universe, etc, and has given our planet over to us to govern and make the best of our lives whilst following his rules. Does this mean that out of all the millions (billions?) of planets in the universe ours is the only one populated with intelligent life?

If not, then surely the belief that god watches over our planet alone is arrogant beyond belief.

[Inquisitor]

God created everything, including the universe and God is every where. Now I don't know if there is life on another planet somewhere, nor does anyone else (for sure!) so I can't say about other planets, all I know is that God has given us instructions for the people of this planet, lets face we ain't getting off this planet & leave our Solar System :)

[zer0c00lrulez]

i am buddist, and we really try to do no evil and to live nice and fair, any other thing is irrelevant.

[anjilslaire]

Well said, Brick. The Scriptures stipulate things to us here. It says nothing either way about things outside of earth.

[Outlawz]

im a Baghghdsim it basically means i dont give a damn

So bring me more fishes

[Raine]

*yawn* Did somebody say something? Ya play, ya pay...I apologize to the mods and everyone else if this is considered a "flame". I was born Presbyterian, and believe in a God...not sure who he is just yet,however. :) Fawn is my friend, and I don't like rude people, so sorry if I got carried away. btw that does not apply to you-know-who...

[Kenshin]

Thats ok Raine.

For future reference to all.....
Everyone has their own beliefs. Just don't flame each other because of their beliefs. Also, dont critisize each others beliefs. If you do, it will get out of hand and the thread will end up being closed. just looking out for ya peeps. :)

[Outlawz]

well wha a bunch of brown nosing :p

[philman132]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Black Veg
[B]Not even close - you are grasping, Nazi Germany had no religion.

yes, that is true that the nazis banned all religion in order that religion would not undermine the nazi authority, but the nazis basicly treated themselves as a religion, with hitler as the god. every house had to have a picture of hitler on the wall,

like the europeans in the middle ages, they fought against anyone who was not of their religion,

the same with the soviets, they basicly treated themselves as a religion, the communists really did ban all religion though, because they felt that if the communist socioty was to be equal to everybody, then how come the priests had so much power over the people, which was a bit hypocritical, as the communsts didnt let anyone else decide what to do at all.

[Demonic]

id on't know, religion is what you make it, as long as you don't go blaming somthing you did, like mudering thousands of people or invading another counrty in the name of your god(s) i am toerante, but as for that religion is the cause of war, in some cases this si true, many muslim countries hate the US and it's allies because of our religios tolerance and social freedoms. in there eye s, we are blastphomous. and i think some relgions are much better than others, i, personnally am wiccian. i dispise anybody who tries to push thier religion onto me, i don't preach to you, why the hell do you preach to me. Jehova's are the worst. what kidna of shabby religion needs people to PAY to become a part of it? i respect Christianity and all it's variants, but there is this one woman whom i work with who knows i am wiccian, and tries to convert me from my dark ways **** off, your so called god gave me the right to chose, and i chose to follow a differnt path. anyway, thats is all i have to say.

[frogdude]

Religion is a good thing as long as you don't create wars and murder innocent people in it's name. It can give you strength when you are week and if you believe in a religion like Christianity very much and follow it close you can become a very good person.:) It would be a better world if everybody would care about each other and if we wouldn't fight between ourselves. :) .....I'm a good Frog....:D

[philman132]

Originally posted by Demonic
many muslim countries hate the US and it's allies because of our religios tolerance and social freedoms. in there eye s, we are blastphomous.

muslim countries hate the us more for the fact of the so called''sinning'' that they feel goes on there, they beleve that christianity is a thing that should be wiped from the earth. we had wars about this in the middle ages, called the crusades, where us english would go off to jeruselem and try and get rid of the turks that were ''defiling'' this holy city because they were muslims. most of us have moved on now, but it seems that the muslims in that part of the world havnt, and still want to cause misery and mayhem

[zer0c00lrulez]

they did had a religion, have you ever seen a nazi belt.

"God is with us"

doh

[Outlawz]

mt god , god this god that

Jesus was black :eek:

[Black Veg]

Read the history books or at least try and keep this with the research books of that time - if you want to call it a religion fine by my - But it was a scientific theory....

Moreover "religion" as we are talking about (Or debating here), is a system of customs based on god gods (The religion that was the "main" talk was the monotheistic religions, which are all based on the jewish religion), For that matter nazi Germany believed they were "ubermensh", they believed in diff races and survival of the fittest as them as the uper race, but boys and girls there was no "one" god, there might have been heroes or strong leaders but no gods. This is often called in the research books as "comunitas" or a type of regimen with no religion in (And no, comunitas Has nothing to do with Soviet Russia).

I would suggest that some of you would read Dworkin's books on the topic of Totems, Barshak: "study of totems in modern society", G.A. Cohen "base and super structure", Froid's studies of this topic, Turner "the ritual process" etc etc....

This debate is very nice - but unlike some people around here - I have studied these topics, and have written a few works on the topic (Not in English). I would rather have this debate in such a level- with actual theories that are based on books.

Another thing- The topic of the main debate is not "religions in history" OR "religion in Nazi Germany". If you want to argue about histroy and modern countries that is another topic. Do not kill this topic - because we are going side ways.

[rogueingreen]

Originally posted by Outlawz
mt god , god this god that

Jesus was black :eek:

Or, more likely, an Arab.

[philman132]

Originally posted by philman132
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Black Veg
[B]Not even close - you are grasping, Nazi Germany had no religion.

yes, that is true that the nazis banned all religion in order that religion would not undermine the nazi authority, but the nazis basicly treated themselves as a religion, with hitler as the god. every house had to have a picture of hitler on the wall,




i'm sorry, i wish to update my argument, the nazis did have a form of christianity, but it was completly nazi dominated and even made jesus out to be a nazi!!!!!!

[SnipeR_X]

yeah probably

[bloodArvil]

Yeah

[Ewok_warrior]

just so u know, mine is a vengeful god and he will SMITE u were u stand if u dont do as i say!!! MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!!!!