Your Thoughts/Comments on smoking.

[gamerchik]

I personally think ciggarettes (sp?) are just nasty...nothing against smokers. So whats everyones thoughts on smoking?

EDIT- Any smokers...how/why did you start? Just wondering.

[col]

:eek:...i hate smoking....i would never smoke......smoking=bad.... bad no good

[Outlawz]

my body smokes then again im on fire

Smoke cigs i dont , but to anyone who does see you soon :flame:

muuu haaaaa

[Dan]

i dont like smokin mainlly coz it makes everything on ya smell,but i did smoke 4 bout 2 weeks bout a year ago only coz my friends did which was stupid.....so NO i didt particually like it ;)

[Inquisitor]

I hate cigarettes and cigars they are disgusting, but I can't hate the ppl who smoke as most of my m8's smoke and me mother, but I make sure they get the message if they wave their fag near me.:argue:

[O.G]

Started smokin @ school,age 9 with my mates...tis was bad habit 2 beat,tried many times....have no will power!

My advice is never try it,your life spann will half,bad for your health,bad for none smokers as well,plus it will cost u alot of money....:rolleyes:

[WorlWydeHusla]

i dont like smoking...:rolleyes:

[poi]

Nasty habit and expensive. Recently been trying to quit. Hard to do after 25 yrs of smoking.

[O.G]

Nasty habit and expensive. Recently been trying to quit. Hard to do after 25 yrs of smoking. Here Here!:rolleyes:

[Dan]

Every1 in my family smokes upset 4 moi so im gonna keep it that way :grin2:

[Vyrus]

i personally dont like smokin

[Geordie Girl]

Thankfully not one of my habits but each to their own.

[rogueingreen]

i've smoked for 10 years now, 20 a day habit and bloody expensive to boot.

[Vile]

Originally posted by Geordie Girl
Thankfully not one of my habits but each to their own.

Hey, you took my line:)

[oldtimer]

I only smoke after sex. I'm down to 20 a day now. :clap: :clap:

[Geordie Girl]

Originally posted by Vile


Hey, you took my line:)
Lol just borrowed it;)

LMAO @ OT:D

[«·X·CÅLÏßÜR·»]

dont like, or even like to be in the same room as people when there smoking. it stings my eyes and gives me a thumping headaque.

never tried it, never will.

[Raine]

I don't smoke, mainly because my mom is a chain smoker, so I guess I had no inclination to try the stinky things! :) My hubbie does, however. He's very courteous about it though. Be it spring,summer,winter or fall, outside the house he goes without fail. :) I'm always telling him he stinks like cigarette smoke, and he wants to quit. Did, actually,for six months last year;then began again. It's hard to kick. D**m things are getting way too expensive!

[Bandit]

Smoking sux.

:While smoking it producers tar and the tar gives you cancer and makes you hard to breath

:the smoke has 1000 chemicals inside.

:your lungs get damaged.

:your kidneys get damaged.

:gives you asthma.

:harms your heart.

:nearly harms every part of your body.

:the tarm blocks nearly every part of your body.

Why do people smoke?

:because there stupid.
:to feel relaxed.

Why people dont smoke?
:because they care about there health

:Not to get cancer.

:To be healthy.

Which sex smokes more?
The woman smoke more than the men and there are more people that smoke and are women.

I pick not to smoke because it does nothing.

[doughboy]

Only when I'm out @ pubs or bars.

[Dr.MAD]

When you smoke, I think that you don't do it because you like it, but because you need to do it.
I never smoked, and I will never do.

[Dan]

it called an addiction......hmmmm no1 has but smokin in my addiction thread...i guess no1 ere smokes LOL :grin2:

[Fred]

smokin is bad, i never have going to, never is done. I just eat cheese, cos cheese is gouda than cigaretts. cos they is bad.
2 all U smokers out there:
Eat cheese. is good
Eat Fish. is good
Don't smoke. is goodest

P.S. I still can't find any of cracks 'n' stuff 4 lord of destruction.

[hommer]

Originally posted by oldtimer
I only smoke after sex. I'm down to 20 a day now. :clap: :clap:

lol how do u find the time!

[ThePhoenix]

I'm a total health junkie and I hate smoking and cigars. I also hate people smoking near non-smokers! BLARGH!

[Saurgrist]

Smoking is digusting, but I don't have anything against people who smoke. It's their decision, I just think it is nasty.

[ColeP]

I smoke, and I continue to smoke because I enjoy the habit, and its effects. I would quit, but I dont want to . I like smoking.

[parkermon]

It seems a little weird to be doing something that'll kill you, quite willingly.

What put me off smoking for life was this fella I met when with my dad, doing plumbing. He had emphasaemia (wrong spelling, I'd say), very bad. He sat there on his veranda, in his wheelchair, and wheezed.

Now these weren't your average cough-up-a-little-bit-of-phlegm type wheezes. These were full-blown 10-20 second monsters. The guy could hardly talk, move, anything.

The guy had been a chain-smoker all his life. 50-a-day, 50 yrs.

I don't smoke...

Mikhael

[marky mark]

just about a pack of day and hate it but love it
of course peer pressure sucks u in and then u just get janked
how gay is that
;P

[philman132]

smokins bad, i think there should be some sort of law about it

[parkermon]

Hmmm, yeah. It should be banned. I mean, it's as bad as any hard drug.

Governments make too much in tax outta ciggies, and the tabacco companies are too big.

So, we'll just have to go on killing ourselves :D

Mikhael

[[[DaLinkWent]]]

whatta bout commenting on DRUGS....................

[Saurgrist]

Smoking isn't good for you, but if people want to do it, let them...

[Bandit]

Originally posted by [[DaLinkWent]]
whatta bout commenting on DRUGS....................

Drugs suck some just kill you and do nothing!

[Fawn]

I don't care for smoking either. I mean, to each his own. My ex used ta smoke. Got tired of kissing an ash tray. YUCK!!

[ABA]

smoking it sucks its stupid my uncle just past away cauze he was a smoker he got cancer and past away

[Rain Samuti]

I started off smoking a little bit when I was offered one... Told myself I'd never buy a pack...
The thing is...
The thing that those who haven't ever tried it won't understand, is...
Smoking's NICE. :) It's a pleasureable thing to do. It feels good.
If it made you feel like crap, nobody would get addicted in the first place! ;)
I've just been on a three-month journey around the country in a little van, and the girl I was doing it with is asthmatic. I knew that three months in constant, awake-and-asleep company would make us either fall in love or hate each other, and fall in love it was...
Thus, out went the cigarettes. Since then, I've smoked a couple here and there - the day she went home to Arizona, when I'm missing her the most, when people are talking about cigarettes...
But I haven't bought another pack, and don't intend to.
...
bloody hell, I really want a fag now... :P

[Rain Samuti]

Oh yeah... I forgot the point. :P
No, I don't like cigarettes. Not in their current form.
I wouldn't have any problems with them if they weren't chemically addictive, though. 'cause giving up is HARD. Harder than everyone who starts smoking thinks!

[Fred]

One of my dad's friends read in a magazine that, and I quote, "50% of smokers die" Thus, he figured that he had a better shot at life eternal by smoking than not smoking.
He's an ididot.
One of my friends smokes, thinks is really cool, but he's a Penis.
I asked him for drag when we were walking down the street, he thought I was serious, but I through it into the gutter, and ran over to it, picked it up, whiped off some of the skungy dirty water and keept smoking it. God he's stupid.

[skeet]

I had a grandfather die of lung cancer. Nuff said. he smoked all his life. It's yer choice. Just make the right one eh?

[khendar]

I smoked for a couple of years. More out of boredom than anything else. then one way I woke up and went outside for a smoke and realised "I'm not getting anything out of this. I dont need this anymore" and quit. I actually chucked a nearly full pack of smokes out.

What I dont get is that more and more girls are starting to smoke, and at younger and younger ages. I cannot think of anything less attractive than a smoking girl. They do it for a variety of reasons: because they find it pleasurable, its the IN thing to do etc. What they dont realise is that 99% of non-smoking guys hate chicks that smoke, therefore they are seriously limiting their dating options. Just the thought of kissing a girl that smoked EEEEEWWWWW!

What i hate even more is inconsiderate smokers. Ppl that smoke around you even though they know you hate it. I once stood at a bus stop, with a terrible cold, coughing my guts up, and this old hag stood right next to me and lit up, blowing smoke in my face. I mean shesh!

[zer0c00lrulez]

Smoke=BAD
don't do it

[ABA]

smoking is bad but for some ppl is releaving thats stupid

[JAGPANZER]

Kissing an ashtray?

How pathetically shallow can one person get?

Smoking is just for cool people, nerds can just whine about it all they want.

As for it being bad for you. It's not exactly, it depends to a large part on your genetic profile. Some people are not cut out for smoking, it will kill their a$$. But the next person could smoke like a diesel locomotive on rich and live well past their 100th birthday.
Some people can't handle drinking a coke without going into sugarshock/coma. Outlaw cokes? Nope, tell these people that they have glucose intolerances and that sugar is a poison to their particular physical make up. If they drink a coke after that, it's their funeral.

No Tobacco gestapo dragged me out of bed when I was 13 and made smoke.
Likewise no tobacco reps complained when I cut down to a pack a week(I puff before sleep).

Moderation is good for everything. Some smoking seems to resist alzheimers on set, much like a little drinking is good for your heart.

Ganja rulz all.

[Demonic]

how can you be serious? smoking good in moderation? time an time agian people die from smoking, and you tell me it's good? sorry, "cut out" or not, smoking will kill you, read the damn package, list all those chemicals for me. now place them in commen household items, IE anti freeze, Paint thinner, ..yeah...you go ahead and keep on smoking bro...when you're 40-60 years old, and not living, but dragging your ass around the house hooked up to an air tank....then tell me you're "cut out" to be a smoker :rolleyes:

[JAGPANZER]

The fact remains that not everyone who smokes get cancer. I'm not arguing that alot of people die from complications from it. But alot of people die from complications of diabetes too.

Alot of people are doing things they shouldn't be doing.

But the fact is that the toxicity of smoke depends on YOUR DNA. I saw this old coot on David Letterman that Dave was interviewing for his 100th birthday. Dave asked the old man what was his one secret for longetivity. The old man asked like what? Dave restated the one thing he did everyday without fail.
The old man laughed and said the only thing he did every day was to finish a pack of these, and he pulled out a pack of Pall fuggin Malls...uggggh. Dave made a wisecrack and everybody was still aghast. But it pointed out the fallicy of the whole antismoking argument. Not all smokers will die from smoking.

The nut who started the whole jogging for health craze died in his late 40's from a heart attack while jogging. He was an avid antismoker.

Linda McCartney was an avid vegan, she died in her late 40's from some hideous cancer.

We're all gonna die, no one here gets out alive.

[doughboy]

Oh jesus christ///

[ThePhoenix]

Jesus Christ man, your posts reek of illogic!

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
The fact remains that not everyone who smokes get cancer. I'm not arguing that alot of people die from complications from it. But alot of people die from complications of diabetes too.

Alot of people are doing things they shouldn't be doing.

But the fact is that the toxicity of smoke depends on YOUR DNA. I saw this old coot on David Letterman that Dave was interviewing for his 100th birthday. Dave asked the old man what was his one secret for longetivity. The old man asked like what? Dave restated the one thing he did everyday without fail.
The old man laughed and said the only thing he did every day was to finish a pack of these, and he pulled out a pack of Pall fuggin Malls...uggggh. Dave made a wisecrack and everybody was still aghast. But it pointed out the fallicy of the whole antismoking argument.
Millions die because of smoking and because *one* single person lived to his 100th birthday while smoking alot during all his life now means that smoke doesn't harm you at all??? Dude you just said "it pointed out the fallicy of the whole antismoking argument.". That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
Not all smokers will die from smoking.
Of course not all smokers will die from smoking but even if you don't die from cancer, smoking can just reduce your lifetime and/or vitality.

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
The nut who started the whole jogging for health craze died in his late 40's from a heart attack while jogging. He was an avid antismoker.

And what does that prove exactly? Just because you don't smoke doesn't mean you're immune to heart attack! Especially if you're somewhat old and start doing a lot of exercise and pushing it too hard!

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

Linda McCartney was an avid vegan, she died in her late 40's from some hideous cancer.

Again what does that prove exactly? A vegetarian diet is especially effective agains heart attacks, but who said the same about cancer?? Linda McCartney died of breast cancer and the causes of breast cancer are still largely unknown. Of the little known risk factors(age, genetics, alcohol, previous breast disease, race, birth control pills, radiation, toxic environments, weight, lack of exercise), little have to do with a vegan lifestyle.

[Aman]

smoking, no matter WHAT ussage it has, is just horrible, and to my opinion should be banned. Another controversial subject is drinking, but I drink, noting wrong with that... just smoking is terrible for ya and it just gets worse and worse the more you do it...

[Aman]

khendar, totally agree with u.. but i think most women smoke because either its cool or because it makes them lose weight. It's a known fact that cigs make you lose your appetite... honestly... dude when i was in eigth grade, this really hot girl started smokin... and everyone went out with her.... strange... i never understood it, because i agree with you i would NEVER kiss a smokin chick :kiss: :gun3:

[JAGPANZER]

Don't be a child.
A hell of a lot more people than "just" one guy lived to ripe old ages being smokers.
I'm not arguing that it doesn't have possible hazardous side effects, on the contrary I've stated just that. It's you emotional types that seem to think that
smoke=cancer so ban smoking
That's no different than me saying
sugar=coma so ban sugar
or
pork=heart disease ban fatty meats
or
british beef=CJV don't eat a real london broil

It's easier for you to be prejudiced against smokers than sugar boogers, or bacon double cheese burgers.

While there are tons of cases that would support such junk science equations, none of them would by extension be validated. It's just the statistical run of the genetic numbers.

And you should keep up with the news, the smoking to prevent alzheimers is over a year old. Doctors noted that such patients seemed to maintain their senses longer than the non smokers did(you expect someone to forget it's time to light up?). But they did not advise people to start smoking because it(is believed) would do more harm than good.

That all depends on your genetic profile, it comes down to that.

My grandma is currently dying of lung cancer, and she doesn't smoke nor did she work or live with others that did. So what gives? She's 78 that's what gives. Just because you don't smoke doesn't mean you are going to live any longer or better.

THAT was my reason for mentioning Bill Rogers and Linda McCartney, trying to "live" a cleaner(meant a healthier, longer)life; they still died, kinda young no less.

eat, drink, smoke, and be merry today; for tomorrow we may die

[Demonic]

alright, so smoking prevents alzheimers..so will shooting yourself in thw head with a .45 :rolleyes: I'd rather suffer with alzheimers at age 80 then die from putting all those chemicals in my body

[JAGPANZER]

Poor analogy.

There is nobody that has survived a .45 shot to the head.
There are innumerable people who have smoked and died of causes other than tobacco related.

If you have valid reason to believe that your DNA profile has an inherent weakness against smoking, then by all means smoking is a habit best suited for someone else.
But it is not axiomatic that if you smoke you WILL die from it.
It depends on a host of factors that we are only beginning to understand.

Adolph Hitler was a big anti-smoker, he initiated many anti-smoking health programs in Germany. So you have good company in your smoke ban corner.

As for the govt revenue raised from tobacco sales, are you willing to absorb an increase of anywhere from 7% to 12%(it will only increase over time> only for the govt to later legalize it again and tax it and get still mo money) in your base tax rate to make up for the shortfall in revenue? It's unrealistic to expect the govt to cut their spending rates, so you will literally pay to make tobacco illegal.
A pack of smokes doesn't cost 5 dollars to make. Phillip Morris gets around $.60 a pack; the other $4.40 goes to local taxation entities. It's not the tobacco companies making the lion's share of money here. Consider that if the tobacco companies have gotten rich sixty US cents at a time, just how much more money did the govts get in grift?

How about you just mind your own bidness and keep your life style as you see fit. Unless you are willing to put your tax money where your socialist mouth is, put a cork in it.

[Loud Minority]

I started smoking to stunt my growth but it didnt work and ....oh woe is me im 6'4"

[nEW_BOrN]

i think smoking is just another way to stuff up your life
drugs etc

plus the money you will be paying for a box of s@#$ no offence to smokers.

[evangelion4]

I say kill yourself whatever way you please just don't drag me down with you.

i've been passive smoking for most of my life and thanks to those biatch i got asthma

[L*O*K*I098]

i cant stand the smoke realy disting stuff
haven't smoken don't smoke WILL NOT smoke

[khendar]

There is nobody that has survived a .45 shot to the head.

Not true. There was a boy that was shot years ago by a 45 in a bungled robbery. The right side of his brain was blown out and his skull caved in. A few months later surgeons put a prosthetic piece of skull to replace what was lost. He is still alive (so far as i know) and has gone on to finish school and go on to college.

[Revelation]

This is how it is. If you are offended by what I am about to say, grow up, because it's just TOO DAMN BAD. I do NOT believe in politically correct nonsense, so here goes... :D

"To each his own" is OK for some topics, but NOT this one.

Smoking is for complete morons. Plain & simple. I saw the comment about red meat being bad for you & should be banned, blah blah.... The fact that I want to clog my own arteries does NOT affect the goof at the table next to me who is eating a salad. If I had a cigarette in my hand however, that'd be a different story.

I have family members & friends that smoke. I love them, but they are still morons for taking on that habit in the first place.

Now unless EVERY smoker is willing to live together in an islolated area FAR away from non-smokers, they SHOULD be FORCED to stop. THEN & ONLY THEN can you put smoking in the "To each his own" category. There isn't a person alive that can make a good point as to why smoking is good. If they even try, it's a LIE.

[rogueingreen]

Smoking does you good in that it acts as an emptional crutch, it is a stress releiver, if smoking doesn't kill you then somthing else will.
@ Copy lord, i take it that your dislike of smokers comes from the smell? if so how do you know if i'll like your aftershave or deodeorant?

[Revelation]

rogueingreen: Yes, smoke has an awful smell. As for people who 'rely' on cigarettes, alcohol or drugs as a crutch... they need to get PROFESSIONAL help. I don't know if my deodorant or aftershave would be pleasing to you. However, if I was in your company, and my smell bothered you, I SHOULD have the decency to go away from you. The same way smokers should go FAR away so that the smell and/or 'extra goodies' that their smoke gives off does not affect others near them.

"If smoking doesn't kill you, something else will." Perhaps, perhaps not. But there is no need to AID in the process. Let it happen naturally, or by accident. Or whatever YOUR destiny happens to be. I don't agree with helping death along PURPOSELY.

[JAGPANZER]

The notion that second hand smoke has any effects beyond temporary ones based mainly on comfort levels.

The 2000 UN WHO study on 2nd hand smoke found no discernable side effects that weren't to be found in others that had no exposure to second hand smoke.
WHO has been trumpeting the loudest against smoking, this study was not at all to their liking. The fact that it covered over 40 nations over a period of 25 years made it real hard for the UN to discount; so it was ignored by most of the media and political pundits.

Moreover the alledged findings by the EPA that led it to push for further restrictions on 2nd hand smoke was found in the words of the Judge who threw it out to be completely based on unproven assumptions, junk science.

Sorry about your asthma evan, but respiratory afflictions such as yours are not uncommon in urban dwellers. There are tons of asthma sufferers who have as much interaction with smoke as they do with pluto, and they have asthma. So I guess the have to be a bit more creative in how they place the blame.

You anti-smokers are completely neurotic in your opposition to it. Your view is on baseon a nanny good-for-you notion that is out of place in a mature, self reliant society.

It is no lie that smoking seems to have the ability to delay the onset of alzheimers in some people. Truth hurts some who live a lie.

If you don't like it fine. But it's completely unfounded to knock people for it.
Particularly when there is no mean data that proves once and for all one way or the other.
Some research shows negative side effects in some people.
Some research shows positive side effects in some people.
Some research shows nothing.

It depends on your genetic profile.

Just because some of you have weaker DNA profiles than others doesn't give you the right to usurp the use of items that are practically harmless to those of us with robust profiles.

That's the rub.
The smoke exposes the weaker among us.


Still unless you are willing to pay your share of the tax burden, I firmly believe that money talks; suckers walk. Smokers pay all the taxes you pay and more, tons more. The supposed health cost increase is a bogus claim because the weaker smokers die off earlier than otherwise. That leaves a huge fund of unspent social security, medicare, and other assorted program monies to be diverted to those that are alive.
So unless you can match what we already ante up dollar for dollar.

your talk isn't worth the money you're willing to back it with

put up or shut up


Yeah, you're just supposed to send $5.00 a day to your central government just sign the check,
"for not buying cigarettes"
They'll give the money to the treasury and it goes to the general fund for whatever pork barrel project the govt has this week.
It's called doing your full share.

But you're mostly snot nosed kids spending your parents money.
Talk is cheap enough for you.

I put more than my smoke money where my mouth is.
I'm a full member (read: dues paying)of the GOP and an ardent supporter(read: fund raising) of pro liberty groups.

I know what is actually at stake here. Until you brats got house payments(no apartments don't count, you pay no property taxes), and fully understand how and why things work in the REAL world; you are able to talk such draconian nonsense all you like.

For the record there are those out there already trying to claim that red meat eaters do affect those around them, through increased ecological damage from large scale ranching and increased health costs for those long term red meat consumers who can't afford their own health insurance.

Thar's all bull$hit too.

[Revelation]

If it weren't for the HIGH taxes that f00ls pay for being smokers, they would get the money out of us some other way anyway. The bottom line is smoking is nasty. THAT'S IT. THE END. CASE CLOSED. They should find a way to colonize the moon & make every smoker live THERE. :grin2:

[JAGPANZER]

This case isn't closed because some health nazi says so.

Not by a long shot.

Maybe if you are a dumbazz democrat who lets their party fleece them for all they can, then maybe taxes are unavoidable.
The GOP base has prevented the Clinton carbon tax from being implemented.
The GOP base killed any hope Kofi Annan had of getting a UN global tax.
The GOP base nixed Kyoto.
The GOP is going to finally get rid of the death tax.
If it was up to the GOP the govt would have to cut services in places before it could start new ones or expand others.

Taxes are unavoidable; overtaxing isn't. This nation was founded on a tax revolt against the British.

This nation was also built by smokers(Washington, Jefferson, Adams, they ALL did), and built with tobacco monies(it was a mandated crop for export as recently as WW2). If this country belongs to anybody it's the smokers.

I wonder how many of you smoking nazi's are also pro-choice. If you even dare to speak up for fear of trying to defend that take.

Only a child or an idiot would be so shallow as to think that they have no ability to influence govt actions.
We still don't have a State income tax here in Texas.
And unlike New Jersey, our State offices aren't for sale.

Smoking isn't nasty either.
Sheesh you people have as skewed a perspective as they come.
Eating your boogers is nasty.
Picking your a$$ is nasty.
Farting in a elevator is nasty.
Purging an unborn child into a sink is nasty.

Smoking is no different than drinking, it's another ingestion method nothing more.

Smoking is only bad for you, if it is bad for you. It may not do a damn thing to you. Only trouble is that we can't read our genome literally just yet, so it's kind of a crap shoot. But a good indicator is your grandparents. Whatever they get sick of/die from, it's real strong odds that you might have such problems in the future. Again, "might" because traits can skip a generation or two every now and then.

I'm the only honest one here who is telling it like it is.
Nobody knows yet. We only know if smoking is bad for someone when/if they finally get sick. Otherwise it's biddness as usual. There is a significant portion of the population that has no sensitivity to smoke whatsoever. If what you clowns said was true, the effects of tobacco would be akin to poison oak or poison ivy: universal in it's effects. Tobacco is not universally hazardous.

The latest tobacco scare news actually tells males that smoking will make them sterile, and the girls will have puny, sickly babies.

NOT TRUE
My wife is a pack a day smoker. I smoke alot of ganja(another "sterility" drug) and about a pack a week.
I had no problemo getting my wife(or any breeding female for that matter) pregnant either time.
The kids are both full term babies.
No health problems even though they live in a smoking house.
They rarely get sick(mominlaw has a kennel, hence lots of dirty little critters for them to play with).
I'm an HVAC tech, my homes' atmosphere is properly filtered, ventilated and refreshed. The central unit cleaned and maintained: so they don't breathe stale recycled air.

No respiratory problems here.

And I am but 1 of millions.

As for the .45 victim. NO person ever survived a direct hit from a .45 ACP. Grazes and glances maybe. But man you got see the destruction of a .45 to really appreciate it. It will knock a 300lb man down no matter where he is hit on the torso area. The sheer diameter and weight of the bullet leave huge wound channels. Even with FMJ, the shock wave would blast surrounding brain tissue to jelly by itself.
Even if such a incident occurred, I can't see the victim going to college for anything other than on display in the med school.
Still, it could happen I suppose. Our design is exceptionally flexible and responsive.

I shouldn't underestimate the overall durability of the Creator's design.

[SuBzErO]

I hate smoking of any kind. I have tryed some ciggarettes but they are nasty and when the moment you are born you are dieing and buy smoking you are just marking you days left by faster if you smoke.

[Aman]

dude EVERYONE smoked back then they didnt know it was bad for u..

and smoking is A LOT different than drinking. First off, I WOULD NEVER kiss a smoker.. EEWWWW... secondly, you are comiting suicide being a long term smoker... thirdly, it takes four seconds off your life each cig...

Think about it.. a pack a day = what 36 cigs? 36 X 4 = 144 144 X 365 days in a year = 52560 / 60 = 876 .. basically, taht means that it will take 876 minutes off your life.

876 X 7300 (20 years) = 6394800 = 106580 hours. Man, thats alotta hours :rolleyes: you see what I mean? Smoking is suicide!

Drinking is different, because you can control yourself, and drinking does not garrantee you to die after 40 year of smoking ;)

[CyBeR XxX]

hey most of the ppl here don't like smokes! i started smoking since i was 13 i stoped smoking from 15 to 16 and started smoking againg since then i can' live w/o it i mean i don't smoke that much just like 2 per day! but now i get tired really fast! so it's really bad for ur health by **** it i can't stop smoking! i'll try later :D

[Revelation]

Smoking iz KA KA. THE END. CASE CLOSED. Send all smokers off to the deep dark jungles of Africa. They're going to die anyway, right? Why not be lion food? :grin2:

[ThePhoenix]

First of all, let me just say that though I don't like smoking, I'm not in favor of a smoking ban(except maybe in closed public spaces), because I believe everyone is free to trash their lives as they see fit. So in that aspect, I disagree with Aman9090 and agree with you JAGPANZER.

I do not, however, agree with your continuing ridiculous claim that smoking is good for some people! That is plain stupid! Just because some, or even a lot of smokers, lived to their 70s, 80, 90s years of life doesn't mean smoking was good for them! As I said before, there are A LOT of other factors as well as a large degree of incertainty that determine the life span of a person. But if you see the large picture, like statitiscs, they will not lie. The more you smoke the worse! For everyone!
Of those long-life smokers you mention, who knows how much more would they have lived if they had not smoked!

Also this frase of yours (one of your "smoking is good" arguments)is utterly ridiculous:
Originally posted by JAGPANZER
It is no lie that smoking seems to have the ability to delay the onset of alzheimers in some people. Truth hurts some who live a lie.

Oh yes, the pain your truth inflicts is unbearable!! So smoking is good for people because it helps alzheimers pacients?!?
So i guess since chemical-therapy sessions help cancer pacients you should be taking sessions of these regularly! I guess too that some of us (those with *strong* chemical-therapy genes!) should also be taking these treatments since it would be good for them! (pay no attention to headaches, blood vomit and complete loss of hair...)
And since many pacients of chemical-therapy lived to they 70s, 80s,et.c it really must haven't harmed them at all!

I bet next you're going to deny that smoking pollutes the lungs, damages respiration or decreses stamina!
And I'm sure there are a lot of athetles of stamina-relevant sports that smoke because they have good "smoke genes" and it doesn't harm them!!

Oh Please...

And trying to disrepute anti-smokers by saying that Hitler was a big anti-smoker is another half-assed argument of yours! It's quite natural that Hitler made a lot of anti-smoke campaigns! He wanted to make a fuking breed of healthy, beatifull, and powerful race! Not some fat unhealthy white trash boys. Plus, they were going to be soldiers, therefore a greater needed for excellent stamina and focus for them!
Hitler was evil and a great racist fukc-up pig, but he was not stupid! And for the german people (or at least the arians) he really wanted what was best.

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
Some research shows negative side effects in some people.
Some research shows positive side effects in some people.
Some research shows nothing.

It depends on your genetic profile.
Oh really, and what kind of research are you talking about? If you're talking about serious, credible research then what you said is pure bullsh1t! What serious, credilbe research shows that smoking has positive effects on even some people??? (and we're talking about normal people here, not alzheimer's pacients!)
Go check the American Medical Association or another respectable medical site, or source and check their position on smoking! I wanna see those "positive" effects you mention!!

[SuBzErO]

I wouldnt get jagpazer started he will just come back and make you look like an idiot. Trust me he has done it to me countless times:(

[Aman]

yup he has done it to everyone :rolleyes:

now, I'm not saying that smoking should be illegal or anything, i'm just saying its pointless to say that smoking is GOOD for you. I showed you that math equasion that proved that after 20 years of smoking you have taken a lot of life outta ya. ;)

[Dan]

Originally posted by Aman9090
yup he has done it to everyone :rolleyes:


Not to me Yet :D

[ThePhoenix]

Originally posted by ps2freak
I wouldnt get jagpazer started he will just come back and make you look like an idiot. Trust me he has done it to me countless times:(
I can defend all my arguments and posts if have the time (which I don't :D !)

[Aman]

hm... jagpanzer WILL comfuse you... are u like, in denial or something? :rolleyes: :p

[philman132]

yeah, jagpanzer always seems to take the opposite side to everyone else, and for some reason makes his argumant look better than yours, he would be a great politicion!!

[Revelation]

RULES:

1) I know best

2) Smoking sucks & stinks & is bad for you, me & EVERYONE

3) If you disgree with the 1st two rules, read them again, & then have someone kick you in the crotch & giggle

:biggrin:

[Aman]

very well said Copy Lord :grin2:

[JAGPANZER]

You know best?

Well you sure don't know any better.

Your name says it all;

copy lord

You rule at taking or imitating the creativity of others, nothing admirable by any stretch.
Rules are supposed to be immutable, the fact that even one person can live over 100 and be a pack a day smoker shows your "rule" is one based more on caprice than rational logic.
It's not bad for everyone.
Just because your genetic profile is a wussed out one slated for elimination at somepoint doesn't mean everyone's is. What doesn't kill us only makes us stronger. While your progeny are hacking and wheezing, going into asthma attack from simple fumes. My progeny will roll over their incapacitated a$$es,
and burn everything in their wake; slash and burn.

Animals run from smoke.
I am a human, I can breathe fire.

no rules from fools

[Aman]

jagpanzer... what u said right there, to me, was completely *BS*... smoking kills you, and is suicide, end of story. I dont HATE smokers, and I respect the fact that they are trying to kill themselves for no apparent reason in a disgusting way. If they do that, I respsect it. My just and optional opinion, though, is that there is no excuse saying that smoking is bad OR neutural for your body. Just because someone lives up to 100 and is a pack a day smoker doesnt mean the person was healthy. He/She maybe couldnt move when they died. Believe me, you have a few choices: Die early from cancer, or die late suffering the terrible consequences of smoking (ie not powerful enough to take three steps to get to the bathroom, having to breathe out of an oxygen tank, living in a bed and the same pair of clothes year in year out because you are too poor and/or cannot get up and change your clothes because of smoking.

Again, I have respect for these people that are commiting suicide, but dont DEFEND smoking. There is NO possible way it is good for u. And dont BEHOTCH about Copy Lord's rulez.. u KNOW he was kidding.

[JAGPANZER]

The centurion in question was walking around on the Letterman show, and he looked okay to me considering he had lived way past the mean figure for our longetivity.

The truth cares not for your petty opinions. Some people's DNA profile has them all but immune to smoke.

2nd hand smoke does nothing long term but hurt feelings.

I don't give a good god damn if you like it or not but it is the truth so help me God.

You are not going to live for ever.
There will be weak link in your life's chain no matter what you are not a god.

My grandma died this weekend from lung cancer, and she didn't smoke nor did she live/work around it.

My grandma that did smoke, died years ago from diabetes.

You to will pass.

Smoking will affect you only if it affects YOU.

It's not suicide anymore than eating fried candy bars is.

[Revelation]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Beginning to sound like the teacher in the Peanuts cartoons...

:D

[Drayvn]

HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH good one mate.

I dont think i put a post down before but i smoke, and i would like to quit, but there are more important things in my life to do right now. But thats still no excuse, i would like to stop, but really i have no idea why i cant stop. So really dont know. But it is most probably true, but if you ask every smoker most of them would like to quit (i think).

And JagPanzer how many people are fed up of you trying to put everyone down, seems to be thats all you do, try being happy or at least compliment someone or something! Or is it you think ur always right, so you have to take the other side of what they say, soon its gonna come bak round and smak you right in the face. Please try to agree with something that we talk about at least.

I dont want to piss you off but its getting very bad, all the posts ive read (thats quite a lot) is to put them down. So please at least be considerate to some of them!

[ThePhoenix]

Originally posted by Copy Lord
RULES:

1) I know best

2) Smoking sucks & stinks & is bad for you, me & EVERYONE

3) If you disgree with the 1st two rules, read them again, & then have someone kick you in the crotch & giggle

:biggrin:

"YOU WILL RESPECT MY AUTHORITAY!!"

Right on mate! :grin2:

[Aman]

you are beginning to sound outrageous jagpanzer... just because we have short lives doesnt mean we can go around doing **** to our selves and our bodies.. Just because we live only 80 years doesnt mean we can go around causing crime, smoking, drinking, having sex with many different partners, and other $hit to yourself. We need to live a controlled life, and to my opinion, smoking just takes MORE off of our short lives :(

As copy lord says, that comment you made was complete 'KA - KA' :grin2:

[ThePhoenix]

Originally posted by Aman9090
having sex with many different partners
Errr.. We can't??.... No, really!...
:grinangel :jump: :grinangel

[JAGPANZER]

How blunderful.

You a$$wipes say my wife, to a larger degree than I, is: stupid, moronic, foolish, etc... And I'm supposed to turn the other cheek? I ain't no fuggin christian so forget that.

Yes when you say smokers are this and smokers are that, you are discounting people like my wife among others. It was intentional, and I regard it as outright verbal attacks. To say you didn't mean me or my wife(among others) is disingenuous and cowardly, owning up to it is the only way to have some measure of credibility on a subject that you are devoid of any.

My responses have been more to make a mockery of your ignorance of the entire subject.
I HAVE READ ALL THE GARBAGE YOU REGARD AS QUASIDIVINE TRUTH
I also read the research that puts all of the tobacco nazi's "reseach" into serious question regarding it's actual validity.

Evidently modern public schools don't teach what the rules defining the classical empiracle method, the basis for all true science, actually are. For something to be regarded as true science fact, it must be demonstated to exist independent of laboratory settings; be able to be replicated repeatedly without significant difference in final outcome; and the observation must be able to be observed independently irregardless who is conducting the experiment.
Smoking, global warming, most environmental quackery all avoid that classification method.
Instead it appears that as long as you have an alphabet soup of governmental agencies sponsoring your reseach, the results you obtain only matter if they jibe with your initial beliefs: not SCIENCE by any stretch of the word.

So my wife's smooth pregnancies, my children's health at birth and since, my fertility, my nightly dreams(it's claimed smokers dream less, another of many lies), the 100+ year old smokers, the people who die of lung cancer who didn't smoke, the 2000 UN-WHO study:
These all stand mute testimonial that the powers that claim to be don't know what's going on.
My wife's OBGYN only advised her to cut down her smoking as the stress effects of her quitting altogether would be far more likely harm the baby(ies) than the cigarette smoking would. This suprised me coming from a doctor, but it was the truth as events would later bear out...twice.

You are an assorted group of useful idiots if you really believe that my personal experience is but a rare occurence. I am not special, there is nothing about me that millions of others haven't experienced exactly the same things.

My poor lil grandma died of lung cancer that she shouldn't have gotten by your numbskulled understanding of things.
My rowdy big grandma died of diabetes and not the Winston reds she put away daily.

If smoking takes any minutes of your life away, it's only the last ones where you are lying in your waste too feeble help yourself. I for one don't care to sit in my feces longer than you do. You can have that "victory". You might live longer than I do, but you won't be cognizant of that hollow victory in the least.
I am a very happy person. My only irritation other than socialist democrats, are the chicken littles they have created who believe the sky will fall without the govt intervening to save them.

As I see it, you guys are irritated that I won't let your opinion stand as the "right" one.
You try to infer that because I don't agree with your take, I must be the exact opposite of it's stance If I'm not - then I must be +, well I dont subscribe to your two demensional way of thinking I'm ~; which is to say neither.

Smoking is neither good nor bad for you, it just is.
One man could live to 105 smoking Pall Malls every inch of the day since he was 12.
Another man lives to only 58 because he did smoke. If he hadn't smoked he may have reached 80+ situations permitting.
It's not case of tobacco being right in the first case and wrong in the next.
It depended on the men in specific.
It's up to you.
Or rather,
your DNA.

[Aman]

hm.. then i think a lot of people need new genetic makeups because more and more people die from cigs and cigars every day :rolleyes:

[JAGPANZER]

No you idiot, more and more people are being born every year. The statistical percentage is the same.

Just for illustrations sake, say 25% of the population is susceptable to a given weakness.
When the population is 10,000 you have an incidental figure of +/-2,500.
But when you have a population increase do you expect the affected percentage to go down?
25 percent is 25 percent, whether you have 10,000 or 10,000,000.

Much like some people blame motorcycles for "killing" more and more people every year. I've actually heard people claim the bikes are more "dangerous" than ever.
Phooey.
There are more bikes then there were, ever.

Much like diabetics shouldn't eat sugar.
Some people just shouldn't smoke.

That's not saying that nobody should eat sweets or smoke, only some people.

[SuBzErO]

I totally agree with what jagpazer has said on this whole topic.

[Revelation]

To all who smoke, or like smoking...

Kiss THIS -------> (__|__)

:biggrin:

P.S. Remember the rules. :D

[L*O*K*I098]

Look smoking kills!!!
That is true! why debate with science??

[Revelation]

/me wonders how much longer before this topic gets closed ;)

[Demonic]

not long me thinks

[philman132]

smoking kills, how can you deny that after seeing all those pictures they show you in school of smokers lungs, shrivled, black and f****d up. how do you expect to breathe out of that? smoking kills, how can you say theres no proof? a thirty year long survey using smokers and non-smokers resulted in about 25% of the smokers dieing of smoking related diseases (lung cancer, etc) during those 30 years, and only about 1-2% of the non smokers died.

im not sure of the figures, but it was somthing like those

[JAGPANZER]

You only pray Vile saves your pathetic a$$es.

Hey copy lard, I'll kick that.

It's not a scientific fact lok, it is a horribly inflated opinion.
Smoking does not kill everybody or even most people.
You dorks need to take an overview of genetic heredity and traits before you even try and debate me.
It's hard to have a war of wits with opponents whose weapons are so dull.

Do I hope for a Mod to close this thread so I don't have to try and rationalize the irrational? (Run to your virtual mommies you panty waists, they'll wipe the tears off your face and tell you that you are smart and handsome)

No I got the REAL truth and not the govt sponsored pap that will only get changed 20 years from now; just like they retracted their other innumerable quack ideas on improving health.
examples:
First butter is bad for you, margarine is better; now the truth forced them to admit butter isn't great for you but it's considerably better for you than the hydrogenated margarine they pushed on everyone for over 40 YEARS. Butter is used in the functioning and repair of numerous cellular functions. It's butter fat, a food product that our body has grown with and adapted to over the course of thousands of years. Margarine is a liquid fat that has been artificially solidified by passing hydrogen though it. Our bodies have never run into such a compound until a little over 60 years ago. It takes over 90 days before the hydrogenated product is passed through the body, for the most part unused. No part of our bodies uses hydrogenated anything.
It is suspected that if anything, hydrogenated fats cause many complications including heart disease, hardening of the arteries, and compromised immune function. But you won't hear them tell you that so soon after they just got through telling everyone the opposite for over 40 years.

Salt was preached as being bad for you by the FDA and AMA for the same amount time. They even cooked up an imaginary affliction termed "salt diabetes." Oh how they hated the results of 40 year studies that showed beyond a doubt that the salt restricted diets that the government and AMA had pushed for so long had without a doubt considerably shortened the lifespans of the patients/victims. Makes any graduate of high school biology/chemistry wonder how these docs at the AMA missed the fact that our body works on a sodium ion pump: salt is used to power the reactions in your body. In fact the patients that followed no salt modification had a 30%+ increase in their longetivity compared to the restricted diet patients/victims.

In short the govt doesn't know what the hell they are talking about when it comes to the workings of the human body. As I said we are an incredibly durable design. This last week a Yugoslav paratrooper fell over 3,000 feet. Both chutes failed, and he went through the roof of a small building.

He walked away.

Supermen in Yugoslavia? No, just an extreme example of the strength and flexibility of the Lord's creation, MAN.

Just one cigarette isn't going to hurt you , 7300 cigarettes (one years worth) won't.
In fact it will take the average person all odds being 50/50 over a minimum of 146,000 cigarettes (twenty years worth) before you even have to worry about anything.
The AMA's own figures hold that you can quit after as much as 15 years, and be back within the normal health range inside of 5 years. Not exactly death incarnate.

[Revelation]

You wanna kiss my what?!??! :eek:

We don't need anyone to save us Mr. Goofy. We just need to put an end to this ridiculous argument already.

Since you are thick headed & refuse to see THE TRUTH, I plan on being as immature as humanly possible...

By the way, Your real name doesn't happen to be Philip Morris does it? :grin2:

[Aman]

hehe nice 1 m8! ;) - but really, copy lord is right.. there is no point in argueing over this.. somking is scientifically proven to kill.. and the fact is, that after people smoke for twenty years, they DO worry about it, but they CANT stop because they are addicted and TOO HOOKED to stop! Thats why we should BAN smoking so that people dont get addicted, even IF it takes 20 years, because on that twenty year mark, you are really additcted to the stuff, and then things stop looking good for u... :rolleyes:

You gotta get out of that tunnel and smell the air and see the sunlight, because if you dont hurry up the train will hit you :( - Believe me, like in the other god post, I respect your opinions to believing that god exists, and its part of your religion I respect that, but this smoking thing... its outrageous to even THINK smoking is NOT good for you.. its not even nuetral.. its just BAD for you! You cant act so "Hippy-like" because you will, first off, really get your @$$ kicked, but its not good for you. The hippy age is over. Now, its not "HIP" to be a believer or think smoking is "good for soul" because it ISNT anymore and science has proved it.

[JAGPANZER]

IT IS NOT SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN, evidence does support some of the results; but there is as much evidence to the contrary.

Nobody who is being honest will tell you that we know the specifics.
Least of all you numbskulls.

If it was true science, there would be NO way of obtaining research to the contrary out of such places as UCLA, John Hopkins, WHO: they wouldn't do it. It would be akin to trying to argue the earth IS flat.

It does good to try the math these pseudo-science agencies churn out.
Using your mortality rates that you listed, it would be far more than the arforementioned 400,000 deaths every year from smoking complications.
Our population is around 300,000,000. 400k isn't even 1/2 of 1% of our population. It's actually less than 1/4th of 1%.
Using your stats we should be losing to the tune of over 2-3 million every year if you figure 6-9 million people smoke in the US. Since the estimate of actual smokers is close to 50,000,000+ the mortuaries should be stuffed with the overflow of dead bodies from expired smokers. Using the screwy figures you mentioned, we should be loosing 5-10 million people yearly.

Do The Math

That's how I usually rip most junk science.

The estimate of a section of rainforest the size of Rhode Island being cleared every day, which was tossed around in the early 1980's, was wrong. Using their math, the Amazon River Basin was finally cleared around the summer of 1998.

Most all of the anti gun stats fall apart once you start dissecting the numbers.

If it was science "fact" for the antismoking garbage out there.
My fertility rate would be near zero.
Both the children we managed to have would have been premature(hey like you copy lard), underweight, and sickly.
One or both would have developed chronic breathing disorders from living in a smoking houshold.
I wouldn't be able to have lucid dreams.
My lil grandma would still be alive.
And my big grandma wouldn't have died from diabetes.

Either smoking causes things or it doesn't. If it doesn't always have the same observable result, then there are other mechanisms at work that we don't understand yet.

The public school system is doing a poor job of producing intelligent citizens.
If you guy's response is typical for your peer group, the public school system is just rubber stamping mindless useful idiots that will believe anything a C- med school social graduate in a govt lab coat says.

Do the math your lab numbers don't jibe with the observable reality.

[Revelation]

LOL! I was beginning to wonder why you had been so quiet on this topic. I guess you have been taking the time to do some more research before you made another of your looooooooong, intelligent sounding posts.... ;)

By the way... You do a damn fine job of keeping the lie alive!!! Keep up the good work!!!

Love,

"Copy Lard"

LOL!

[doughboy]

god I hope you get lung cancer you arrogant prat

[JAGPANZER]

All any of you got is smart a$$ rhetoric with nary an intelligent response to support your brainless claims.

Hope I get lung cancer? Well you best walk the straight and narrow, karma has a way of spanking you for the ill will you wish upon others.
You want childish, I couldn't give a better example than dorkboy's, "I wish you would die." blather.

The only thing I wish any of you catz got is a clue and perhaps the initiative to think for yourselves and look beyond the health nazi's propaganda.

There were few anti-smokers as ardent as Hitler was, but clearly you little brown shirts would make him proud.

If I got lung cancer I wouldn't blame it on any cigarettes. The cruel reality of my grandma dying from lung cancer shows I have susceptability to the trait; 1:3. Still If I live as long as my grandma did (78), I'll still beat the average by almost 6 years.

[Revelation]

Originally posted by doughboy
god I hope you get lung cancer you arrogant prat


:eek:

[Vile]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
You only pray Vile saves your pathetic a$$es.


Actually, they are doing great without me.

Anyway, I've already given my thoughts and opinions on this matter, so thats that.

[JAGPANZER]

Doing great?
If your meter for that is non quantified/fuzzy number rubbish.
Then I guess you're right.

I get no practical refution of the workings or statistical breakdown of the numbers stated. I don't need links, if you can interpret and relate the stats presented by the health nazi's in a functional matter; I'll believe that you at least have some understanding the physical processes involved.
But no, all I get is parroting of demonstrably and easily debunked numbers/stats/figures.

None of you can deny that some people have no apparent effects to speak of from smoking in any age group.
I don't deny the fact that some people get sick from smoking.

But for some odd reason you think denying the obvious makes your take the "right" one.
I don't deny that some people die from smoking.

You do deny that some people live in spite of smoking.

The validity of your logic is bared in that one ignorant incongruency.

Ya'll got much schooling/learning to do.

[Vile]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

None of you can deny that some people have no apparent effects to speak of from smoking in any age group.


Just wanted to make one last correction...

I never denied the above...I know it's about gentics for some people, and that some are not really affected by it, but it's a very small percent of the population, compared to those it does affect.

There...I'm done now :)

[JAGPANZER]

400,000 is less than 1/4 of 1% of our current population.

Far more smokers live every year than die.

[Revelation]

WOAH! You must be slipping... You actually kept 1 post under 1,000 words! :grin:

[doughboy]

Not really childish my 'blather'..

The point is that if you carry on smoking 40 or so fags a day then you're guaranteed to have a far higher chance of cancer..

If you deny that then it is you who are the childish one.

[Aman]

well lets think this way. There are millions of united states population. About 4000 people every day die from smoking. Hm.. 400 people a day X 365 days in a year. That equals 1460000 people... wow... one million people die a year from smoking. Well, if 150000 people each year die from smoking, then that means that in 20 years then over 100 million people would have died, which is about 40 percent of our population am I not mistakened. Wow... 40 percent of our population dead in 20 years JUST because of smoking. Believe me. If you have seen all those ANTI SMOKE comercials, then you would see why people are trying to stop smokers. Smoking is bad for you. If it wasnt, then why would these millions of big ANTI SMOKE companies even CARE or even GIVE A $HIT?! Just face it! If it harms only a small amount of people, it WILL spread. More and more families will become genetically disadvantaged to smoking. More and more will build up. Smoking will be a big problem.

[JAGPANZER]

You are mistaken, quite horribly. I would recommend a refresher in statistical analysis.

40 smokes a day is a two pack a day smoker, that is not the avg smoker. You have to go to extremes to reach your desired effect. In the observable reality, most smokers avg +/-20 cigarettes a day. Heavy drinkers, fast food only eaters; they too will meet earlier demises than their more moderate brethren.

The 4000 figure is completely unproven and just a number that was found to be enough to get laymen people all worked up. But to disprove your whole take, it will do.
Our population according to the last census put the US population just over 300 million. Your 100 million over the last 20 years is completely enough to refute your numbers as it stands. But evidently you need somebody to walk you through it.
It took 10 years for our population to go from 240 million to 300 million. By your math we didn't gain 60 million, we actually gained over 110 million+. The 50 million who died during that 10 year period were not the only ones who died. So the actual mortality figure is actually much higher. Granted people are living longer in general, but not that much longer and not that many people reach it specifically.
Moreover, smoking(like everything else) isn't new. It's been around for centuries/millenia. The previous American colonial period numbered less than 40 million people. The mortality figures you use would have been crippling to the colonial effort who lost thousands to the Indian Wars(the redskins were smoking too) as it was.
In short we would not be here if it was that lethal. Most everybody smoked then, medical services were next to nonexistent: yet our longetivity jumped over our european cousins by more than 20%, infant mortality was almost halved, and our fecundity rate almost tripled.
Everybody was smoking, nobody became extinct.
Most of the illnesses you attribute to smoking could just as easily be attributed to increased population density and the health hazards that come with it.

The anti-smoking nannies "care" as you put it , is not at all dissimilar to the anti-alcohol groups and organiztions that dominated the American political landscape leading up to the "noble" experiment that was Prohibition.

Some people just get a charge out of telling other people what to do on the pretext that they know better than the "common" man.

If you think the health nannies are going to mind their own business after they get smoking eradicated, you don't know these people that well.
They already have been eyeing fast food and twinkie like confections to be under regulation(taxes...see there's your point-money it's just something else they will tax you to have/do).
They don't like SUV's.

Yeah, they're after me. But soon they will be after you too, but I won't be around to fight for you by then.

We either fight together,
or
hang
one
by
one



live free or die

[Revelation]

LOL! How come whenever I read one of your posts, I feel like Mr. Spock is speaking to me?!?! :p

You do make a good point however.

[philman132]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER


There were few anti-smokers as ardent as Hitler was, but clearly you little brown shirts would make him proud.



so you're accosiating us with hitler, just because we share a single same idea? by saying this you say that just because we are anti smoking, and hitler was anti smoking, then he would be proud of us and welcome us into his flock? it is true that nazi scientists were some of the first to prove that smoking causes lung cancer, and loss of the sense of smell, but that doesnt mean that anyone else who says this is a nazi.

[JAGPANZER]

For the record nobody has found out what causes all cancer. Once we do, we'll be that much closer to figuring out how to deal with it.
Some cancer's are clearly of a viral origin(lukemia, ovarian), but that clearly doesn't apply to all cancers.

Plutonium, will cause cancer. One dust mote 1/10th the size of the period at the end of this sentence will cause a cancerous tumor the size of a baseball in whomever/whatever's lung's breathe it in within 1 week--->.
There are no known exceptions to this scientific observation, plutonium kills anything that inhales it.
I suppose you could say it is a genetic weakness since ionizing radiation breaks down DNA.

But as for the lowly tobacco plant, it's just another herb.

I attach Hitler's name to all anti-smoking propaganda because he was the first to implement the policies from which all subsequent regulations have been derived. You don't have to believe me, look it up for yourself. The Wolf's Lair was one of the first military strongholds that was officially non smoking by the order of Hitler himself. It's worth noting that when SS troopers went to the Lair to see if Hitler needed to be evacuated, they knew something was wrong because all of the officers were seen to be smoking; something the Fuhrer had forbidden in his presence.

If Hitler was an ardent supporter of intruding on people's civil liberties, then I must be opposed to it.
Hitler didn't invent the VW, he took a design that had been languishing in Mercedes-Benz design studios for almost a decade; still I laugh at VW's being called Hitler's revenge.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin; all these men smoked to varying degrees. I can share the company of these "fools", "morons", they are hell of a lot smarter than many of you will ever aspire to be.

To paraphrase Gump,
Nazi's are, as Nazi's do.

[Aman]

ok, there are some good points made jaggy, but i would recommend realizing that yes, smoking DOES kill, and it WILL kill, and it will ONLY spread worse and worse... BUT, you do make a point, there r worse thigns to do to yourselves. Maybe if you are genetically proven not having a disadvantage to smoking, but does that mean everyone is? NO! The fact is, that smoking is MADE to addict you, and it does JUST THAT to most people. Although you ARE right, in a way. Fast food every day can have the same or worse effect, but the thing is that its so much more obvious that smoking kills you. It says on the label on the side :rolleyes: Fast food, you need to eat to survive. Ever heard of the women that drank too much Mountain Dew, got addicted, and died? Extreme causes. Same with fast food. Unless you ate more than 3 meals a day of mcdonnalds, you will not die EARLY. You may have other problems. Smoking, you smoke a pack a day, the average human WILL have effect and may die earlier. That's bad. You could die 12 years earlier than u could had you not smoked.

All though u are right in a way. Just tryen to prove my point here. Hope i am doin a good job cuz i am too lazy to type 304329857940239539 words like jaggy can :grin:

[JAGPANZER]

You are almost there grasshopper.

Just because something is so much more obvious as you put it, doesn't discount the other less healthy choices. They are as deadly, only less obvious.
As for addiction, overweight people exhibit symtoms very similar to withdrawal if forced to undergo restricted diets. It's not like fatties haven't noticed their weight, it's just so hard to do anything that has an immediate effect that doesn't require a total modification of their lifestyle. It's easier for them to just buy a mumu and stay at home getting ever larger.

May have an effect and will die earlier, are conflicting observations. But it shows that indeed your brain is whirring away at the piece of the puzzle that just doesn't fit the rest.

As for the Dew, as long as a diabetic stays clear, then few people would ever die from it. But I think sodas are far more addictive than cigarettes. I dread the possible health complications that could be brought with it. Soda's have been around barely 100 years, with only the last 60 being the real global development for it. Already some ecofreaks are declaring that the rising caffine levels in the ocean are the result of waste water discharges from treated waste water; caffine doesn't break down easily so it is alledged to be floating around accumulating in our oceans doing Lord knows what.

Too bad for the ecofreaks that they cry wolf so much, they get worked up into a froth about anything that they deem serious it dilutes any real worry over anything serioud they might stumble across.

Oh well.

[philman132]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER


But as for the lowly tobacco plant, it's just another herb.

I attach Hitler's name to all anti-smoking propaganda because he was the first to implement the policies from which all subsequent regulations have been derived. You don't have to believe me, look it up for yourself. The Wolf's Lair was one of the first military strongholds that was officially non smoking by the order of Hitler himself. It's worth noting that when SS troopers went to the Lair to see if Hitler needed to be evacuated, they knew something was wrong because all of the officers were seen to be smoking; something the Fuhrer had forbidden in his presence.



i know that hitler was the first to implement anti smoking policies, and that he prefered non smokers in his army, as they had a better sense of smell, but that doesnt mean that just because macdonalds doesnt let you smoke inside their place that the whole macdonalds franchise is full of nazis. the nazis hated the communists too, so do the americans, does that make them nazis? no it doesnt, unless you are extremely anti-state

[JAGPANZER]

No, McDonalds captitulated to pressure from the health nazi's. McD's did not act within a vaccum, it was a pre-emptive measure to forestall any other negative public protests.

Nazi's and commies can tug over the blanket all they want, they're both friggin socialists. We are not, at least not supposed to be anyway, either of those.
We are a free market based republic.
So I am free to despise both philosophical factions with equal disdain.

But you'll find out all about that stuff in your 12th grade government class provided they still teach an academically viable subject in your school and not a lot of fluff.

[JAGPANZER]

The nazi germany antismoking campaign was centered around "health" issues.
As for their supposed sense of smell being better. Seeing as the "smoke 'em if ya got 'em" Dog ears and Leathernecks of the US Armed Forces crushed the nazi Vermacht, a whole lot of good it did the SS.

[CyBeR XxX]

*AHEM* Does any1 have a cigarrette? wanna join me? :grin:

[Demonic]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
The nazi germany antismoking campaign was centered around "health" issues.
As for their supposed sense of smell being better. Seeing as the "smoke 'em if ya got 'em" Dog ears and Leathernecks of the US Armed Forces crushed the nazi Vermacht, a whole lot of good it did the SS.


you seem to think the "world wars" was fought by and only Americans. hmm, last time I looked at a globe the USA wasn't the only fuggin country in the world, and as for the bull**** you're feeding us, how about proving it through facts other than you're own word. give me two or more refutable sources to your so called "facts" I can give you 10 sources to the conterary.

[JAGPANZER]

I've played link tag before on political Bboards. It never ends.
Your junk science is what it is. I don't really care that much about educating you as to take my time out to go find it again.

But it's all pretty apparent US census figures are US census figures. Use the numbers that whomever is trying to push, either they will fit within the observable reality, or they won't.

Look around, you're the dumb kid with nothing but time on his hands. I got a job, family, and expensive gaming habits. I just don't have the time to teach a social reality class. You will find the truth.

As for the BIG one, WWII was won by the Americans. The europeans by that time were only good for cannon fodder as the war had already been going on a few years when we entered and most of the better trooper and pilots had died or been killed.

If not for the US keeping the UK and Russia supplied until we entered the war, Britain would have fell before 1942. If Japan had not fugged with US, Germany would have taken Britain no later than 1943, after that the Swedes would have had their neutrality violated since the reichsmark would be able to be based on the pound instead of the krone.
Russia? I feel Russia would have eventually been able to take Germany provided that Japan got occupied with their butchering of the chinese. Otherwise, ugh....so many hundreds of millions of people dead and enslaved under a Berlin Tokyo compact.

The US is the most powerful nation to ever have exist in the memory of man on this planet.
We have moved faster, farther, higher, and done it quicker than anyone else.
You canucks live under the protection of our strategic wings, and some of you ingrates pluck feathers for personal pillows.
It is a US flag on that moon above your sorry a$$. We may have claimed to do it in the name of all mankind, but WE didn't put a UN flag there.
Actions speak louder than words.
So my dad's tax dollars paid for the Apollo Project that bought the US the moon, it's mine by legacy extension(I'm a citizen of the US)
so get over it.

earth by birth
AMERICAN
by the graceof GOD

[Revelation]

OK. OK. This is SUPPOSED to be a debate over smoking. Let's not start anything involving where anyone comes from please. I don't care who began this nationality thing, but it's going to stop HERE. Thanks to all!

[alf5]

freedom of choice!!!!!

thats all i have to say.....i am a non-smoker but people that sit there and preach to people about not smoking annoy me.....if u feel like smoking u should be able to with out persicution as long as u dont try to help minors start....then i say :flame: burn

[Aman]

well I agree we have our own choices to make. If we chose to kill ourselves through such a dirty and obscene way, that's our decision.

[j4s0n]

been smoking since i got 13, yea first i thought it was "cool" to smoke(but it aint trust me) then i got stuck with it... and in germany its quiet normal(yea i know its sad) cuz the cops dont say nuthing, i mean you just go and walk in the streets and when a cop comes by he just says,"kid you know it aint good for you eh?" then leaves LoL,
so now i moved to america and now i gotta watch my ass cuz i heard you can go in jail OR EVEN IN REHAB!!?? :confused:
i mean i got nuthing against the rehab thing and stuff, cuz when i get cought its my fault =)
oh yea i dont mean in any way to talk bad about any countries! NO! hell no(just looked at the post over me LoooL, now that was dumb)

[philman132]

in europe thogh, you can smoke almost anywhere, in resteraunts, shops, anywhere, in britain everywhere is no-smoking, which is good

[Drayvn]

You can smoke anywhere in the UK however old you are, the the pols dont even stop to ask or anything, they just walk on by. I started when i was 9-10 when i went ot boarding skool, walked the streets in West London, no pols stopped me even tho i looked bloody young. And smokings bad, even tho i smoke, but i least i know what im talking about!!!

"We can make choices in free will, but we have no choice but to choose free will!" ...Its all up to u

[philman132]

what i meant was that in europe u can smoke in all public buildings and the like, in uk u can smoke out on the street, or in some public places. its true that the police never usully bother u, no matter how old u are, but u cant smoke in public buildings

[Aman]

well over in the states, its legal to smoke at any age. You just can't buy them. I mean, I have seen people smoke in public places (my age and even lower), cops have come up to em and asked em all these questions and he just replys "My parents bought them cigs for me", and end of discussion. The cops can't do anything about it. It is a VERY messed up law, but i dont know why they dont fix it. :rolleyes:

[SnipeR_X]

you would never ever ever catch me near a cigarette i hate it along with drugs drinking is ok as long as you don't over do it like drink driving drink in morning midday evening...

[Ewok_warrior]

i got no probs with other people smoking, its their choice, so long as they don't blow smoke on me or smoke around me while im eating, then no worries. in sydney u can't smoke indoors in public places except in pubs and clubs and that works just fine for me.

[Aman]

same here m8! But i just think it is OUTRAGEOUS to say that smoking is NOT BAD for you. End of discusion ;)

[Sweet Angel]

I don't agree with you JAGPANZER...i am totally against smoking...like you said people die from diabetes too...well that's true but in most cases it's genetic and unpreventable, but smoking is preventable...in other words your choosing to kill yourself...you do have a choice, but your just making the wrong one...

smoking kills, n if you haven't realised that yet your pretty slow... it's not just cancer that it causes it's also alot of diseases...here's just some effects it can have to your health

*Lung cancer
*Cancer of the kidney
*Bronchitis
*Emphysema
*Heart attack and stroke
*Heart disease
*High blood pressure
*Diabetes
*Leukaemia
*Stomach cancer
*Oral cancer
*Bladder cancer
*Pancreatic cancer
*Cervical cancer
*Facial wrinkles
*Osteoporosis in women

It is also a proven fact that smoking can lead to emotional disorders, such as super-depression, and others including bulimia, anorexia, anxiety disorders, alcoholism and attention deficit disorder. In just austalia alone it kills more than drinking, drugs, suicide, murder, rail crashes, air crashes, drowning, poisoning, fires, bad falls, electrocution, and venomous bites. :confused:

STILL THINK IT'S GREAT?!
:wakeup:

[mkn]

i hate smoking and drugs. and i just cant bear ppl who sit near me and smoke. recently smoking has banned in all public places in our state (yes!!). so it is better now.

[AnarchoS]

Red eyes, smelly clotehs, headakes, no good.

I hate smoaking and in some way smoakers to, they have no maners, they thow theyr cigarete buds everywhere.

I once broke my ex friends nose becouse he started to smoke in my apartment without asking me if he can smoke, and he knew that it gives me headakes.

Hi light up his cigarete and i tould him to put it out, but he said he would after he smoked it. So I did "bam!". Of course I did over react but my home is my home, so I say what goes on there.

[AnarchoS]

freedom of choice!!!!!

thats all i have to say.....i am a non-smoker but people that sit there and preach to people about not smoking annoy me.....if u feel like smoking u should be able to with out persicution as long as u dont try to help minors start....then i say :flame: burn

But u forgot that by smoking in public place u r forcing others that dont smoke into smoking, I dont care if someone smokes at home and destroys his health, let him, but when Im in a closed public place and someone smokes beside me, he wont smoke for long. Il ask him to stop or if he wont u already know what. Yea I know its harsh but if u re playng with my health, ill do what I have to do.

[AnarchoS]

But you'll find out all about that stuff in your 12th grade government class provided they still teach an academically viable subject in your school and not a lot of fluff.

Govrnment class... ... that says it all brainwashed JAGPANZER.

[AnarchoS]

I've played link tag before on political Bboards. It never ends.
Your junk science is what it is. I don't really care that much about educating you as to take my time out to go find it again.

But it's all pretty apparent US census figures are US census figures. Use the numbers that whomever is trying to push, either they will fit within the observable reality, or they won't.

Look around, you're the dumb kid with nothing but time on his hands. I got a job, family, and expensive gaming habits. I just don't have the time to teach a social reality class. You will find the truth.

As for the BIG one, WWII was won by the Americans. The europeans by that time were only good for cannon fodder as the war had already been going on a few years when we entered and most of the better trooper and pilots had died or been killed.

If not for the US keeping the UK and Russia supplied until we entered the war, Britain would have fell before 1942. If Japan had not fugged with US, Germany would have taken Britain no later than 1943, after that the Swedes would have had their neutrality violated since the reichsmark would be able to be based on the pound instead of the krone.
Russia? I feel Russia would have eventually been able to take Germany provided that Japan got occupied with their butchering of the chinese. Otherwise, ugh....so many hundreds of millions of people dead and enslaved under a Berlin Tokyo compact.


Read some more books and not just the ones that were writen by hollywood writers.


The US is the most powerful nation to ever have exist in the memory of man on this planet.
We have moved faster, farther, higher, and done it quicker than anyone else.
You canucks live under the protection of our strategic wings, and some of you ingrates pluck feathers for personal pillows.
It is a US flag on that moon above your sorry a$$. We may have claimed to do it in the name of all mankind, but WE didn't put a UN flag there.
Actions speak louder than words.
So my dad's tax dollars paid for the Apollo Project that bought the US the moon, it's mine by legacy extension(I'm a citizen of the US)
so get over it.

earth by birth
AMERICAN
by the graceof GOD

Dont forget that everithing that u say It was your acomplishment after the second world war was stolen from German scientists.

U lost your "most powerfull nation in the world" quote in Iraq, by begging others to hellp u. U realy r confident r u? How long did it take for u to get brainwashed? I guess not long.

[Birdhouse]

I don't drink, smoke or do drugs.

I will love to go into detail, but I rather keep my posts brief.

There's no point of smoking knowing this sucker will kill me in the long run and make me feel horrible now and forever if I continue. Plus man you smell bad which is a turn off to women and men too.

Drugs... waste of time. Substances that have a fake feeling to the "human" body.

Drinking... well I understand if you need a drink if your out to dinner with your lady or in some business meeting. I don't drink because there is no point of drinking to become drunk. It isn't good for me and I will turn into a different person which isn't "me". I will pass on this.
I rather drink a soda with sugar at least you can always burn it off. :tredmil:

I dare any person that drinks heavily think they are tough by getting drunk with alcohol. I will give them half to a full glass of straight BEET Juice, and you will be out in a second! Not too much or you can actually go into a comma. :rangesle

[Zeloufion]

I am a Non-smoker because:

1 I have friends and family that have died from it.
2 Because it smells.
3 Because I have a healthy body and don't want to ruin it.
4 Because it kills you quicker and I have been with someone who was dying from cancer of the throat. :angry2:

And another thing is it just doesnt kill the person whos smoking aswell new tests say that passive smoking is just as bad.
So I hate smoking!!!!

[JAGPANZER]

You learn nothing.

Go ahead and list all the genetic weaknesses you like.
None can be attributed solely to tobacco, not one like it or not that's the way it is.

And no. Diabetes is primarily the result of nutritional deficiencies. The western diet happens to exacerbate such conditions in hispanic, samoan, and african peoples. Diabetes is next to non-existent where the afflicted peoples still consume their native traditional diets.
So we minorities kill ourselves a little bit more each day anytime we stray from the diet that we were acclimated to over a period of thousands of years.

Brainwashed? Surely your simpleton self can do better than that.
The only person here not seemingly brainwashed by anti-smoking crapola is ME.
It is mathematical like anything else.
+=some people will benefit
-=some people will hurt
~=some people get nothing

You delude yourselves by thinking there is only one reaction"-".
I don't deny that some people are hurt.
I also don't deny the obverse, or inconsequential.

Also, just last week I heard on FOX that a saliva test was being developed that could detect if you were susceptable to tobacco carcinogens.

I've lost relatives to various ailments. To try and narrow it down to one cause is laughable.

I've lost friends to cycle and car wrecks too, that doesn't mean I'm giving up driving or riding in cars.

A crutch? For some people I'm sure. Everyone has their stress reliever.
It's pretty elitist to think that you are some how better than somebody else based solely on what you put or don't put into your body.

It was a very wise man who once said that it is not what goes into the mouth which defiles a man.

I smoke 2-3 tobacco cigarettes a day. The first 2 I smoke partially, then finish later. The last one I smoke is in bed before I go to sleep. I sleep on a waterbed, so no worries there.
I don't smoke this much because I'm trying to smoke less, it's as much as I care to smoke.

Personally I destest alcohol. Alcohol has enabled far more people to destroy their lives and those around them than tobacco ever will.

But If you care to drink and smell like ethanol, BMG; but don't think that is somehow better than smoking.

As for the purist do nothings out there, bugger off!
I was sober the first 15 years of my life.
Sex was better, food tasted better, movies were brighter, music was deeper, the jokes were funnier; sex drugs rock and roll
On my death bed I sure won't be the one pining about the things I never did.


...........later in the evening as you lie awake in bed.....with the echoes of the amplifiers ringing in your head........you smoke the days last cigarette remembering what she said...

she said
turn the page

[Luke7k]

I dont and would never consider smoking mainly because it makes you smells, makes your teeth go yellow and is almost a certain death. crazy in my opinion.

[JAGPANZER]

Almost certain death? LOL.

Even the fuggin AMA is on record stating that if you smoked for 15 years and quit altogether, within 5 years your health would be back to normal.

Not too certain there.

GROW UP

there is no boogey man

the sky is not falling

[Regent Cid]

I have been smoking for 2 years. I want to quit really bad. It is a nasty habit although I don't somke a whole lot 5-7 a day. I still want to quit if any of you have any advice please help me out. Also, here in the US you can't smoke at any age. You have to be 18 to buy and use.If you are caught smoking before 18 you get a M.I.P. which means Minor In Posession and thats at least a $100-$200 fine. If it was up to me. I would illegalize cigs and legalize pot. I have never heard of anyone dying from marijuana. On top of that it has been proven that pot kills cancer cells. But yet it's still illegal in most countries. Why is that?

[Aman]

I have been smoking for 2 years. I want to quit really bad. It is a nasty habit although I don't somke a whole lot 5-7 a day. I still want to quit if any of you have any advice please help me out. Also, here in the US you can't smoke at any age. You have to be 18 to buy and use.If you are caught smoking before 18 you get a M.I.P. which means Minor In Posession and thats at least a $100-$200 fine. If it was up to me. I would illegalize cigs and legalize pot. I have never heard of anyone dying from marijuana. On top of that it has been proven that pot kills cancer cells. But yet it's still illegal in most countries. Why is that? You can smoke under 18 but you can't buy them. ;)

I agree - I think Cigs AND pot should be banned. Both are just stupid and make no sense to use.

[Regent Cid]

My apologies, the law I stated was for Texas.

[toxic]

well i quit smokin six months ago, i feel a damn site better than i have for a long time, i have more disposable income now than i have had for a while,
i dont stink and the stains are gone from my teeth.
i used nicotine replacement patches and within two weeks i wasnt even using them.
whats more i smoked for twenty seven years and ended up on thirty smokes a day.
if i can quit anyone can .
you only need a good enough reason and i thought livin to see me kids reach maturity was reason enough.

[JAGPANZER]

Lies, you can't quit smoking.
If so, then all this is academic.

As much as I like the kind, it doesn't kill cancer cells per se.
SOME thc compounds do show the ability to reduce tumors as well as eliminate others all together.
These compounds are not administered by inhalation. Their use is not unlike some chemotherapy, just minus the vomiting and hair loss.
Still the tumors in question were never determined to be malignant or benign. The studies were cancelled before claims to the effect you are describing could be observed.

As for quitting, just stop.
I had quit for over 6 years before I started smoking moderately again about 3-4 years ago.
From 13-24 I smoked like a diesel locomotive set on rich. Macanudos, Cohibas, french cigarettes, british cigarettes, turkish cigarettes(the ovals are delish!), russian cigarettes.....puff-puff.
But at 25 I got into an argument over being addicted to smoking, so I quit to prove I could do it without no stinkin' patches or gum.

Run, not jogging, run.
If you just modify your habits to keep your running up, but not feel like physical crap, you will do fine.
I willingly gave up fried foods, smoking, and excessive sweets once I got a good constitution established. No problem; fried foods made me ill, smoking just killed me, sweets hurt my teeth, it all falls into place on it's own.

All you need is a bit of self discipline.

I started moderately smoking again because I didn't want to be mistaken for a nazi anti-smoking a-s-shole.

My last physical was 100%, my respiratory output is well within the threshold of 'healthy'.
If anything my doc thinks I smoke far too much more ganja than tobacco.
Nothing concrete mind you, just his unquantified opinion, he just thinks it has to be unhealthy for anybody to smoke that much.

lol

[littlevave]

i hate smoking my grandparents smoke but i try to keep away from them when ever they do cause they get mean when they do smoke

[Super Killer]

LOL,I hate it too,but my greandparents dont smoke.

[GunSpeed]

Aside from your health, aside from everything else...

Consider this: A guy pulls 1$+... and then burns them up... Twice if not more and lets say everyday!! What do you think is wrong with that guy? You might say he is stupid,ignorant,crazy...etc but you know, I think you've already got the picture here.

[Tone]

i smoke, but i wish now that i didnt, costs far 2 much money.. gonna have a real attempt 2 stop soon cos im getting sick of it.. and i will succeed

[NorthViking]

I dislike smoking.

I smoke awhile, but it wasn't long.
Then I stopped and it doesn't taste good after awhile

i smoke, but i wish now that i didnt, costs far 2 much money.. gonna have a real attempt 2 stop soon cos im getting sick of it.. and i will succeed
Go for it, if you got the will you can stop !
Good luck.

[monk]

i started smoking when i was 16. it sucks, i should quit. it should be banned every where. maby ill just smoke weed every day. thats a good idea......lol lol sorry i couldn't finish that. my belly hurts. so do my lungs.

[Miya*more]

A lot of people in my family smoke. I vowed never to get into that. It ruins too many lives. Yes, smokeres may not care about their health, but i wish they cared about the health of the people around them. Second hand smoke is by far worse.

I had a friend who tried so hard to stop, but she couldn't cause her body just craved for it. She used to cry to me and she made me promise to never start. It's pretty sad.

[PalpatineRG]

I've been a witness to too many cancer patience to even think about it................

[JAGPANZER]

There is no real science that supports the notion that second hand smoke is harmful.

UN-WHO had a decades long study involving several nations. It determined that 2nd hand smoke had no negative effects.
Evidence was mounting that it did have positive side effects in that children exposed to smoke had better resistance to it, so that aspect of the study was dropped.

Asthma and other respiratory diseases are more common in urban dwellers rather than rural dwellers.
Leading many to suspect the fault lies in the sanitary conditions urban infants develop in.
Lack of dirt for a better word leaves these children with compromised immune systems. Asthma appears to be the most common side effect of overly sterile upbringing.

Burning money is one thing. It's a poor metaphor.
The same argument can be used on sodas, ice cream, whatever the pleasure police are targeting.

Would you feel the same miya if your friend had diabetes and insisted on ingesting sugar.
Or was fat and crying over her dbl cheeseburger, fries, and diet coke?

There are few victims in this world.
Most are volunteers in some form or another.

At least be adult to face up to the fact that some people lack discipline.
Now you want to deny them responsibility for their actions?

how no-ball

Lot's of people quit smoking every year, it can be done.

[Fritzler]

Smoking to me is a sign of weakness. Some people start because there friends are doing it..some start becuase it makes them feel relaxed.. It shows there inability to take frustration out a healthier way. I cant see how people can inhale smoke like that. I find it just plain stupid

[JAGPANZER]

Some view eating three times a day a sign of weakness....for them.

Smoking is a sign of weakness.....for you.

It is what it is, which is to say it is up to the individuals personal constitution.

[marky mark]

ive cut down about to half a pack a day now(marlboro's)
at my worst i used to smoke around 2 packs a day
also as far as "the green plant" is concerned
maybe once every 1-2 months....at the most

i would like to take this time out to quote jay-z

"its just once in a blue, when theres nothing to do, when the tension gets to thick for my sober mind to cut through"
my reasons for datin mary!
:)

[Aman]

I've said it before and I've said it again:

I don't like being around smokers. I don't like how they smell after they smoke, it's a nasty habbit, their teeth become yellow - I can't even imagine kissing a girl that smokes *bleck*.

That said, I don't care if anyone smokes, but I don't appreciate it. By all means, I don't care where or when they smoke, but I can get intimidated if these people are around me. I can't even go into some parties because of the smell of all the smokers.

I don't know why this argument is still going on, but.. - It is proof that smoking harms you. You inhale tar and smoke into your lungs - once a day is not going to kill you, maybe not even effect you - but a pack a day is really just not a good thing for your body. Even if you live longer, you get short of breath, you smell, you cough a lot - there are so many effects and consequences of smoking that it is just rediculous to say that smoking has no harm on you. EVERYTHING in life either has a good outcome or bad outcome - smoking definitly is not a GOOD outcome, so it HAS to be bad.

[TecknoMike]

I've said it before and I've said it again:

I don't like being around smokers. I don't like how they smell after they smoke, it's a nasty habbit, their teeth become yellow - I can't even imagine kissing a girl that smokes *bleck*.

That said, I don't care if anyone smokes, but I don't appreciate it. By all means, I don't care where or when they smoke, but I can get intimidated if these people are around me. I can't even go into some parties because of the smell of all the smokers.

I don't know why this argument is still going on, but.. - It is proof that smoking harms you. You inhale tar and smoke into your lungs - once a day is not going to kill you, maybe not even effect you - but a pack a day is really just not a good thing for your body. Even if you live longer, you get short of breath, you smell, you cough a lot - there are so many effects and consequences of smoking that it is just rediculous to say that smoking has no harm on you. EVERYTHING in life either has a good outcome or bad outcome - smoking definitly is not a GOOD outcome, so it HAS to be bad.

i agree with ya aman , same here, i dont care if some1 smokes .. i just dont like the smell and the consequences of smoking. (the bad breath , the yellow teeth , the coughing etc.) :blacno
theres also that consequence of the aging...the ppl who smoke for a long time seem to look much, much older.

..bad bad outcome :(

[nealander]

i never dared to try the nasty stick. the mere smell sucks. how could smokers stand it. if i stay near a smoker for more than an hour , i'd probably suffocate and choke cuz of the smoke.

[CMDRSNATCH]

I have never smoked cigarettes..occasionally have endulged a cigar with my buddies..but have you ever kissed a smoker?..it's like licking out an asstray :blah:

[ChemicaL-BoY]

Damn people :blaccry I'm happy to see that almost all of u are against smoking!

[JAGPANZER]

You weaklings.
Cripes, "intimidate", "probably choke me": irrational fears best illustrated by Aman's twist of illogic. If something isn't good it must be bad?
LOL
Get a grip, it could very well not even factor in to certain people's constitutions. A 20 year plus UN-WHO study on 2nd hand smoke all but proved for certain that not only does 2nd hand smoke not have any discernable actual health problems; evidence was mounting that exposue to 2nd hand smoke actually imparted resistance to smoking toxins.

You couldn't imagine kissing a girl who smoked?
Get real, who you lying too yourself?
Truth be told if ANY babe dropped her panties your way, you wouldn't even notice if she was smoking.

Heck, they're all smokin' when I'm done with 'em.

[JAGPANZER]

How can I stand the smell?

How does anyone even start to like the taste of beer/alcohol?

Uggh, try kissing a girl right after she drank diet anything.......bleeeearggghhhh.

It is a matter of preferences.
Your choice of smoking is neither right nor wrong, it depends on your health tolerances which is entirely unique to each of you.
Some of you may indeed be lilly lunged.
But some of you are diesel lunged divers.

It is the spectrum of human variety, nothing more or less.