My case against PC's. [Archive]

ncasebee

12-12-2002, 09:34 AM

Ok, I am about to give up and go completely console. I am so sick and god damn tired of this. I have a P4 2.0 GHZ with 512 RDRAM(800) and a Geforce 4 Ti 4600. I am playing warcraft 3 and it can't handle the big maps with 5 or more players. It stutters every once and a while, while nothing is even happening.Then when the large battles occur framerate slows. Let's not even talk about playing UT 2003 at 1024*768 at even modest settings.I'll upgrade and you know what will happen. It still wont run the new games at 1024*768 max without stuttering and I will have wasted my money on a 3.0 GHZ processor.You know how I know this, because I've done it many many times before. So I don't know what to think. I think I am finally going to give up on PC's for gaming, and go get myself a nice Sony HDTV and play games the way there supposed to be played, at high resolutions with great detail on consoles. Just look at Metroid Prime or Vice City or Splinter Cell. I have seen PC games that are comparable, but when you try to play them it turns into a slideshow. Guess what though that doesn't happen with the consoles.So unless someone can offer some good advice. Seeya PC! I'm going to play games the way there meant to be played.

Demonic

12-12-2002, 09:51 AM

i understand where you are coming from, there are lots of pro's for console gaming, and with the rapid pace of consoles PC's are having a harder time keeping pace, I think i agree with you, the one advantage pc's had over consoles is now gone, with the arrival of xbox live, best bet, it to enjoy best of both worlds, keep your high - end PC and any game that you have problems with, play on console.

Vile

12-12-2002, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by ncasebee
I'm going to play games the way there meant to be played.

I like both, and I'm sticking to both, but that quote above is complete BS. Sorry, but that's absurd.

"the way there meant to be played." I don't think so;)

Like I said, I like both platforms, but I usually lean towards PC, and my PC performs excellent. Strangly enough, it's slower than yours when it comes to clock speed (1.53 GHz XP 1800) but I'd be surprised if yours could outperform it.
Point is, if you get the right setup, and you do it correctly, both platforms can work excellent.

BTW, while you're playing on your consoles, I'll also stick to playing a bunch of other console games on my PC. Helps having a NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, PSX, etc all in one, on my PC :wink:

ncasebee

12-12-2002, 10:24 AM

Ok Vile. I see. Well what am I doing wrong with my setup. What could I change.How do your games play.
And also, I think the excuse of having a SNES,NES ect. emulator, for PC's being better, is getting old and retarded(Just my opinion, don't getmad).
I would rather play my old SNES and NES with the original controllers ect. any day. I have tried the emulators and they never really produce the same effect as the origninals have, especially when you don't have a PC Snes controller , the sounds are messed up, and the framerates take hits when they don't on the originals.What do you guys think could be wrong with my setup, and what do you think of consoles?

Vile

12-12-2002, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by ncasebee
Ok Vile. I see. Well what am I doing wrong with my setup. What could I change.How do your games play.
And also, I think the excuse of having a SNES,NES ect. emulator, for PC's being better, is getting old and retarded(Just my opinion, don't getmad).
I would rather play my old SNES and NES with the original controllers ect. any day. I have tried the emulators and they never really produce the same effect as the origninals have, especially when you don't have a PC Snes controller , the sounds are messed up, and the framerates take hits when they don't on the originals.What do you guys think could be wrong with my setup, and what do you think of consoles?

Good point. I actually loathe Nintendo, so I don't "use" any of those emulators even though I have them. When I do get around to it, usually it's Neo Geo, CPS2, Mame, etc.
My point about that was, a PC is much more compatible. While one sits through and swaps cartridges, games, consoles, etc, it only takes a few seconds to do on a PC.

My system:
AMD XP 1800 @ 1.53 GHz
1GB RAM - DDR PC2100
180 GB hard drive (7200 RPM)
GeForce 3 Ti200

etc...

I usually play in higher resolutions. Usually either 1280X1024, or 1600X1200, and playing at those I get well over 100 FPS. Q3, UT, etc, around 160 FPS.
They run nice and smooth.
The P4 is a damn good CPU, so you should be getting good performance.
Which OS are you running?

evangelion4

12-12-2002, 11:17 AM

LOL if you don't like your PC give it to me :D

Troop_Zer0

12-12-2002, 01:42 PM

or me :grin:

Vile

12-12-2002, 02:21 PM

Alrighty, lets stick to the topic at hand;)

NorthViking

12-12-2002, 02:40 PM

computers needs to be upgraded so often.

my computer is old now, it was fast 1-2 years ago :rolleyes:

so i might start play more on consoles too.

i understand what you mean.

Zafiras

12-12-2002, 03:52 PM

IMO consoles were designed and conquer the gaming world... tho in saying this computers are very flexible and by no means are in the dark ages...

all in all its up to personal preference - and guess its alright if you dont mind all games that come on a particular console only... where as computers you can get an em or game to suit :)

NorthViking

12-12-2002, 03:58 PM

well is it fare that you have to upgrade your computer regulary to be able to play the latest games ?!

too fast advancing.

Zafiras

12-12-2002, 04:31 PM

totally agree... buy a computer today and it needs upgrades tomorrow so to speak... i think thats why consoles pull a decent share of the market... no major upgrades for x amount of time

ldoodle

12-12-2002, 04:58 PM

no major upgrades for x amount of time

The ONLY upgrade you need to make is buy the next version (XB2, PS3, GC2, etc).

Do you have any AV stuff running in the background? If so, try disabling it first, then run the game. As usual, try updating any hardware drivers, especially for video cards.

Also try doing a scandisk/defrag... you could have some bad sectors on you hard disk.

Do you have one large partition or multiple partitions?

What OS are you running? If W2k/XP, try increasing tha page file.

The ONLY game which is installed on my PC is, Championship Manager, which I don't even play, my bro does. I don't agree with the comment "the way there meant to be played", but I do ONLY play games on consoles.

HTH/...

ncasebee

12-12-2002, 06:34 PM

I am running Windows XP home, and have it on one large 60gb partition. This is where my system files and games are installed. I guess I haven't run scandisk in a while I'll try that to. Man Vile 100fps and up, thats incredible.

Deadlus

12-12-2002, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by ncasebee
Ok, I am about to give up and go completely console. I am so sick and god damn tired of this. I have a P4 2.0 GHZ with 512 RDRAM(800) and a Geforce 4 Ti 4600. I am playing warcraft 3 and it can't handle the big maps with 5 or more players. It stutters every once and a while, while nothing is even happening.Then when the large battles occur framerate slows. Let's not even talk about playing UT 2003 at 1024*768 at even modest settings.I'll upgrade and you know what will happen. It still wont run the new games at 1024*768 max without stuttering and I will have wasted my money on a 3.0 GHZ processor.You know how I know this, because I've done it many many times before. So I don't know what to think. I think I am finally going to give up on PC's for gaming, and go get myself a nice Sony HDTV and play games the way there supposed to be played, at high resolutions with great detail on consoles. Just look at Metroid Prime or Vice City or Splinter Cell. I have seen PC games that are comparable, but when you try to play them it turns into a slideshow. Guess what though that doesn't happen with the consoles.So unless someone can offer some good advice. Seeya PC! I'm going to play games the way there meant to be played.

I have a slower cpu than you do, but I dont experience the problems you have. I have a P4 1.8Ghz, 640MB of Ram, Geforce2MX, and Windows XP Pro. I run warcraft 3 with no slowdown and UT2003 runs great with 1024x768 res. It must be your settings are set wrong, just as vile has said. However, computers tends to clitch once in awhile. It's unpredictable. Beside all that, it's a great system for games.

Revelation

12-12-2002, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by ncasebee
Ok, I am about to give up and go completely console. I am so sick and god damn tired of this. I have a P4 2.0 GHZ with 512 RDRAM(800) and a Geforce 4 Ti 4600. I am playing warcraft 3 and it can't handle the big maps with 5 or more players. It stutters every once and a while, while nothing is even happening.Then when the large battles occur framerate slows. Let's not even talk about playing UT 2003 at 1024*768 at even modest settings.I'll upgrade and you know what will happen. It still wont run the new games at 1024*768 max without stuttering and I will have wasted my money on a 3.0 GHZ processor.You know how I know this, because I've done it many many times before. So I don't know what to think. I think I am finally going to give up on PC's for gaming, and go get myself a nice Sony HDTV and play games the way there supposed to be played, at high resolutions with great detail on consoles. Just look at Metroid Prime or Vice City or Splinter Cell. I have seen PC games that are comparable, but when you try to play them it turns into a slideshow. Guess what though that doesn't happen with the consoles.So unless someone can offer some good advice. Seeya PC! I'm going to play games the way there meant to be played.

I can understand your frustration. However, all it takes sometimes is the proper tweaking. Unless you know what you are doing, you may not be taking full advantage of your PC's power. A couple of BIOS setting changes, a click here or there in Windows can do wonders! It also helps to tweak your video card settings. Believe me, with that system you have, your games should be smooth as a baby's a$$! Now this is assuming that your motherboard (sometimes a bottleneck) isn't holding your system back. Also, with nVidia cards, you should be using a little program called "RivaTuner". Nice video card tweak utility. If you need further help, I'd be happy to help you figure things out. ;)

P.S. Consoles are nice, (I own many) but PC will ALWAYS own them all!

ncasebee

12-13-2002, 03:50 AM

My system is below.So can you offer any tips that might get me going. I've been at this whole thing for quite a while, but if you can help that would be great.

Vile

12-13-2002, 04:21 AM

I'd like to see you guys pull 160-170 FPS in 1600 X 1200 resolution on your consoles ;)

Originally posted by ncasebee
My system is below.So can you offer any tips that might get me going. I've been at this whole thing for quite a while, but if you can help that would be great.

Which OS?

You can always try tweaking the games.
Learn the various commands and customize it. Also make sure you are not doing too much stuff in the background. (I know you mentioned you were not, but check your task manager to make sure things are not running in the background)

Aman

12-13-2002, 04:44 AM

yah man I have a tweaked Athlon XP 2400+ system with a KT400 SOYO mobo, 512mb ddr 2100 RAM, and I can get usually OVER 200 FPS! It is definately how your computer was built m8! Not the games or the hardware itself. Just learn how to tweak ur computer (and who doesnt know how to?!) and then come back complaining to us once you start getting 100+ FPS ;)

ncasebee

12-13-2002, 05:45 AM

I am running Windows XP home. As far as I have ever been gaming on PC I have never ever seen 1600*1200 at even moderate fps.I once tried SOF2 at 1024*768 max, it was not pretty. I would say that I never got over 40 fps.That is why I like consoles, because of the great graphics and consistent framerates. So do you guys have any guides to speeding up my pc for me? Or any tips.Thanks

evangelion4

12-13-2002, 11:07 AM

consoles lag as well not all games run fast on consoles like MOH i plaed that on ps2 and man it was slower then my k6-2

JAGPANZER

12-13-2002, 11:58 AM

Nice try Vile, but I'd like to see you pull 160-170 framerates at 1600x1200 with a complete system upgrade for under $300.
Hdd, ehthernet port, vid card, controller INCLUDED.

You can't. The top shelf video cards cost as much as a complete console system.

The only tweaking I need to do is placement of the console. The XBX can output to VGA monitors(but why? there are no affordable 32" VGA monitors). I'm not sure of the frame rates or scan rates(shame on me).
But the XBX does support 1080p HDTV, does your peecee?

Revelation

12-13-2002, 05:31 PM

Vile

12-14-2002, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
Nice try Vile, but I'd like to see you pull 160-170 framerates at 1600x1200 with a complete system upgrade for under $300.
Hdd, ehthernet port, vid card, controller INCLUDED.

You can't. The top shelf video cards cost as much as a complete console system.

The only tweaking I need to do is placement of the console. The XBX can output to VGA monitors(but why? there are no affordable 32" VGA monitors). I'm not sure of the frame rates or scan rates(shame on me).
But the XBX does support 1080p HDTV, does your peecee?

Nice try JAP, but..try reading the posts more clearly next time, along with compatibility, and capability of them.

We were talking about gameplay and overall interface.

Also, if you read my old posts, you'll see that I've said NUMEROUS times, it's pointless to compare the two in any otehr aspect, because the PC will always be better, since you will be able to spend more money on it, and keep upgrading.

JAP, my PC can rip dvds, rip CD's into MP3s. I can also browse the Net and download files around speeds of 500-600 K. Can your console do that? JAP, my PC can emulate 10+ other platforms. Can your console do that? I can watch/listen to streaming video/sound on my PC, can your console do that?

....Point is..Once again comparing a PC to a console in any other aspect is so pointless, why? Because of the same fact you brought up, the money, but read my older posts, and you'll understand, from what i said in them.

Aman

12-14-2002, 04:07 AM

VERY well said vile. There REALLY IS no point in comparing the two. For the ones that can afford it, PC gaming will ALWAYS be better than console gaming. If you can upgrade your graphics card every two years, if you are smart enough to upgrade your mobo and cpu every two years... then you can have the most kick ass "console" gaming machine ever... on a pc. Why don't I buy many consoles? Because I can emulate ALL of the consoles (not gc and xbx tho...), for free! As vile said, I can listen to music, write a school paper, or listen to music and play ut2k3, or watch a dvd while listening to music while playing a game while writing a school paper... the actions are just about limitless on the pc. And since you can do more on the pc (DUH!), it will always cost more. I have not spent probably over 2000 dollars on my pc in the last three years, and I am just upgrading now to a 2400+ athlon xp, 512mb DDR RAM, and a KT400 SOYO mobo... that is my system for the next two years. I already have a dvd burner, and am getting a geforce fx soon. That will total just above the 1700 dollar mark since the last 3 years worth of upgrading. GET IT?

Deadlus

12-14-2002, 04:08 AM

Vile you also forgot to put, Copying CDs, Record Videos, Print, Edit Images, Hacking, Backing up, Video Chatting....... :)

Vile

12-14-2002, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Deadlus
Vile you also forgot to put, Copying CDs, Record Videos, Print, Edit Images, Hacking, Backing up, Video Chatting....... :)
Yeah, and much much more.

I've always said its pointless to compare the two, but the reason I did it this time, is because the original poster said that games were "meant to be played on consoles" and that is complete BS.

Both serve their own purpose.

WorlWydeHusla

12-14-2002, 04:51 AM

ya...a console is SO MUCH cheaper and u dont have to upgrade OR fiddle with settings...\

just get an xbox for games

i love pcs but im not fond of playign games on them

ncasebee

12-14-2002, 05:07 AM

Any tips once again for my slow comp? Also on a previous post I said consoles are the way games are meant to be played.
Ok so what are PC's made for. Well I could list thousand here, such as word processing, music,dvd watching,cdr writing, programming, and the list goes on forever. Now I will ask what consoles are made for? Well they are made for one thing, and one thing only. GAMING! It's sorta like the PC is the jack of all trades, but the master of none, I think. I don't have thousands to spend, even though I try. I think gaming was meant for consoles not PC's. This however does not prevent PC's from getting some of the action. I like both worlds, but the PC just wont run my games well.
I could try upgrading once more, maybe and then after that failure I would throw away PC gaming forever. Maybe I'll go Athlon this time.

Any suggestions on what I should do would be great? Or any tips to help me right now, with my comp that plays current games like crap at 1024*768 at moderate settings.I'm certainly not getting any 200fps.Ha

One more thing. I like consoles because there aren't so many variables. I get the game and play. With PC games I have so many variable such as detail, PC capability, and Fast vs. Detail. I like to think I am playing the game on the console the way it was meant to be played.Sorta like "WuR WyDe HuStLa" previously said. I sorta like the feeling, "Well this Medal of Honor Frontline is a little slow, oh well everyone's is a little slow." I also think console graphics are much better. Maybe its because I have to play my PC games low detail/resolution to get moderate fps.Even then those fps aren't appealing. Is my system supposed to be like this?

Aman

12-17-2002, 01:57 AM

O.K. Now, I will pretend that I did not hear that... AARRRGHH I HEARD THAT!!!!!!!! :mad:

I want to start out by saying that I have many arguments to this:

1. Why aren't PCs meant for gaming if PC Gaming was BEFORE your "console gaming"?
2. Graphics are better? I would think not, my console commie friend :p - 8x AGP, CPU Clock speeds 4 times faster than xbrick's cpu, 4 GB MEMORY! :eek:, 1600X1200 Resolutions :rolleyes: - get your facts straight! It's CLEAR that a computer is FASTER and has BETTER GRAPHICS than a console!
3. Again, think of it this way. For people that CAN enjoy the lucury of PC Gaming should, and usually do. For those who can't, they rely on their consoles to do so. Therefor, you really can't compare them. Why do PC's cost "thousands"? Because you can type a paper, listen to music, play a game, and talk on a phone/voice communicator ALL AT THE SAME TIME! Can you listen to music on a console while playing a game while TYPING A PAPER? you can DEFINATELY not type a paper on console. Only in SOME instances on an xbox can you play RIPPED music as the background music. Can you burn cd's on console? No, you cannot. Can you emulate EVERY console and even OLDER COMPUTERS accept for the Gamecube and Xbox on a console? No! Can you have 8X AGP, a 12 times inprovement over a xbox's graphics? NO! Can you have six 200 gb hard drives on your machine and run them on RAID? NO! Can you have accuracy by a millionth with a mouse in your games? NO! Can you type to your opponents online? Not anymore! Do you have the choice BETWEEN a steering wheel, keyboard, mouse, joystick, thrusters, game board, and gamepad? No! Can you hook all those up at the same time so you don't have to go unplugging and replugging in everything? No! Can you have modded games? Not yet! Can you make your own mods? Not yet! Can you make your OWN games that YOU program that are compatable with your console? I would not see that happening, ONLY pc can do that :rolleyes:. Can you mod your CASE to put neon lights and a window and more fans inside for better and cooler performance (and also a cool looking rig like mine :p )? Only if you were a complete idiot and willing to risk your console to do it! It's not possible! Hell, only ONE console is able to be played online now! And one console can't play DVDs! Can you chat to your friends over instant messangers while playing a game on a console? Nope! But both PC and Xbox can have voice communication. Can you go OVER 800X600 resolution? Not normally! You see? And all of these things make the gaming more enjoyable on a PC. in other words, if you CAN enjoy it, you WILL! The only way the graphics MAY be worse on a PC is if you have EVERYTHING low graphic detail on a 486 processor and a 13 inch monitor in 640X800 resolution :rolleyes:. Also remember that PC Gaming was first above all! :clap:

4. The ONLY possible way that you could get such terrible frame rates is from your own stupidity while building the system. Maybe PC Gaming was made for the smart ones only too (jk!) but people like you kinda make me feel bad for others. I mean, if you build a system, you probably know how to tweak? Overclock? If not, then why don't you buy your frickin system so that they can tweak it FOR YOU! Believe me, I could have your system go about 120fps on a game like warcraft 3 :rolleyes:

So there you have it. Lots of stuff to suck on, and I recommend you think it over before you start playing a Xbrick or another console.

ncasebee

12-17-2002, 04:33 AM

I am going to keep playing my consoles and enjoying them because I hate PCs. I'll use them for there intended purpose, work. I still think the PC is the jack of all trades, but the master of none, as you so carefully pointed out above. Plus why should I spend 3,000 as I have, just to have to spend more time tweaking.I think the graphics are much better on my nice HDTV.

That's just my opinion and I thank everyone for all their help and opinions. Thanks:grin:
:banana:

JAGPANZER

12-17-2002, 06:42 AM

No doubt, the VGA monitor makes up over half the difference in video quality.
The XBX, PS2, NGC, and even the DC and Jag64 could all output to VGA with the right cables.
BUT WHY?
Hi-res on a dinky axe 21" tube is a joke.
I'll take my 36" WEGA anyday(but that thar HDTV is mighty sweet).
Not many PC's can output to HDTV's.

PC gaming did not predate consoles. The earlier Spacewar video game that was developed at MIT worked on a sub mainframe. At over $35,000+ a pop for the computer needed to play it, that's not a "personal" computer but rather a "personel" computer.
The Fairchild Channel F, Odyssey, and Atari 2600 are recognized as the first commercial video game computers built for public sale.
Commodore, Amiga, Atari, Apple and the like came much later.
The first Sinclair PC boards were not capable of any video games outside of ascii text types.

Granted, PC games have more flexibility designed into them, but this comes at a price. The cost being mainly in stability and uniformity.
DOA3, SEGA GT 2002, Splinter Cell; these are a few that have downloadable content.
BUT,
there are no cheat bots on XBXLV of any sort. As noted on many threads throughout MGF, cheat mods are very prevalent outside of XBXLV.
So you take the good with the bad.

I would equate consoles to being more like top fuel dragsters and PC's to Hummer H2's.
Consoles are built for speed and are pretty much useless for anything else.
PC's can take you any damn place you can steer them.

Vile

12-17-2002, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
No doubt, the VGA monitor makes up over half the difference in video quality.
The XBX, PS2, NGC, and even the DC and Jag64 could all output to VGA with the right cables.
BUT WHY?
Hi-res on a dinky axe 21" tube is a joke.
I'll take my 36" WEGA anyday(but that thar HDTV is mighty sweet).
Not many PC's can output to HDTV's.

PC gaming did not predate consoles. The earlier Spacewar video game that was developed at MIT worked on a sub mainframe. At over $35,000+ a pop for the computer needed to play it, that's not a "personal" computer but rather a "personel" computer.
The Fairchild Channel F, Odyssey, and Atari 2600 are recognized as the first commercial video game computers built for public sale.
Commodore, Amiga, Atari, Apple and the like came much later.
The first Sinclair PC boards were not capable of any video games outside of ascii text types.

Granted, PC games have more flexibility designed into them, but this comes at a price. The cost being mainly in stability and uniformity.
DOA3, SEGA GT 2002, Splinter Cell; these are a few that have downloadable content.
BUT,
there are no cheat bots on XBXLV of any sort. As noted on many threads throughout MGF, cheat mods are very prevalent outside of XBXLV.
So you take the good with the bad.

I would equate consoles to being more like top fuel dragsters and PC's to Hummer H2's.
Consoles are built for speed and are pretty much useless for anything else.
PC's can take you any damn place you can steer them.

???????????

Noone said that gaming existed FIRST on a PC. From your post above, you are basically saying, that since gaming first came about on consoles, you agree with ncasebee, in respect to consoles being the way games "should"/are "meant" to be played.
That's a joke man. The idea that you concluded this, based on the fact that consoles were first, makes me laff.

If that's the case, why not go back in history, and do many things we do TODAY back like they used to be done?
Why use anesthetics when doing surgery? They didnt have it back then? Why use machines to build machines? They didnt do it that way before?

Lol, and the fact that you even compare a monitor to a TV is a joke. My dinky 19" flat screen monitor has better quality than your POS CRT will ever have, so I wont even go there.

Also, you are talking about x-box specifically, I'm reffering to Consoles, and PC's in general.

Deadlus

12-17-2002, 07:17 AM

I agree with Vile on this one. Which ever came first doesn't really matter. That's the old days. Now is now and saying PC are not for gaming is total BS. Gaming with PCs now has plenty of advantages that a console can never have. If you have problem with playing your games on your computer, then its not the computers problem, it's you who don't know how to set your computer for games. There are no argument about LCDs Monitors vs POS CRTs. Monitors will always have better quality, period.

Hi-res on a dinky axe 21" tube is a joke.
I'll take my 36" WEGA anyday(but that thar HDTV is mighty sweet).

When you are sitting like 1-2 feet away from your 21" monitor, it's bigger than your 36" TV. With a monitor you can sit close to it, try doing that for hours with your tv. Get my point?

Aman

12-17-2002, 07:50 AM

Yes! The fact is, weather your monitor is high end or low end, it looks better than ALL TVs! They cannot go 1600X1200 resolution m8! Better yet, you CAN'T get eyestrain from a monitor, as to a TV, I have to shut my eyes after an hour! I have stayed infront of a monitor for SEVEN hours and not get eyestrain from it!

Because of the display difference, AND the hardware difference, AND the flexability of PCs, consoles will ALWAYS be obsolite compared to the almighty PC. Again, this does not mean that they cost the same! Yes, consoles cost less. If you can't afford a high end pc, what other choice do you have? I can afford a high end PC. I once spent 6000 dollars building one. It was my number one priority at the time! That said, PCs will always be better, but not without a hefty price tag. A "gaming" PC costs 2000 dollars upward USUALLY. If you are building it, a "gaming" PC can cost merely 1400 dollars. Depends where the money goes in. I bought a 22 inch flat screen monitor instead of high end parts a few years back.. now I have both after upgrading this week. Consoles cost 300 dollars because they CAN'T compare against the PC's power, and they are also IDIOT proof! PCs need to be handled by someone who knows what he/she is doing. This is because they are BETTER, meaning they require a bigger and better assembly. BECAUSE consoles are not as strong technology and flexability wise, and BECAUSE they are idiot proof, they will cost less. PCs are better, more flexible, and require better assembly by the owner. The PC will always dominate against the Console. It just depends on where the money goes in, how much INTELLIGENCE you have with technology, and other important things that decide between the obsolite console and the dominant PC.

JAGPANZER

12-17-2002, 07:55 AM

Read Aman 9090's post you gooftards. My response was to his stating that PC gaming before console gaming. It was the first in his list of counterpoints to the console question. Any rebuttals of yours are way out of context with regards to moi.

Why in the hell would I want to sit on top of my TV? The whole point of big screens is to kick back and take it all in.
HDTV has higher resolution than VGA.
If'n I wanted I could output my XBX to a VGA, I have the adapter already.
But how many of you can output to NTSC, VGA, and HDTV?

But this here argument is all aboot monitors any of which my XBX can light up.

I don't sit 1-2 feet from my TV, try 3-4. Maybe a full 9 everynow and then.

Hours and hours? Is there any other way?

I'm a grown muthafugginman, a 21" monitor is just way too small. It's good for surfing and stuff, but long term gaming it makes it impossible to get too laid back. If you live in a kid's room or a dorm room it might do fine, but it falls pitifully short in a decent sized den or living room.

The digital flat screens are getting better and better, it won't be long before they are equal to VGA if not better.

AND BIGGER.

Vile

12-17-2002, 08:00 AM

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
Read Aman 9090's post you gooftards. My response was to his stating that PC gaming before console gaming. It was the first in his list of counterpoints to the console question. Any rebuttals of yours are way out of context with regards to moi.

Why in the hell would I want to sit on top of my TV? The whole point of big screens is to kick back and take it all in.
HDTV has higher resolution than VGA.
If'n I wanted I could output my XBX to a VGA, I have the adapter already.
But how many of you can output to NTSC, VGA, and HDTV?

But this here argument is all aboot monitors any of which my XBX can light up.

I don't sit 1-2 feet from my TV, try 3-4. Maybe a full 9 everynow and then.

Hours and hours? Is there any other way?

I'm a grown muthafugginman, a 21" monitor is just way too small. It's good for surfing and stuff, but long term gaming it makes it impossible to get too laid back. If you live in a kid's room or a dorm room it might do fine, but it falls pitifully short in a decent sized den or living room.

The digital flat screens are getting better and better, it won't be long before they are equal to VGA if not better.

AND BIGGER.

I think we are jumping on a tangent here, and completly shifting from one topic to another.
First it went to which is better, then to which came first, then to "would you rather watch sit in front of a tv or monitor" etc.

Make up your mind about what you want to talk about, then I'll continue. And again with the x-box, lol. The system is fine, but I think we were keeping it a bit more general, and not console specific.

Deadlus

12-17-2002, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

Why in the hell would I want to sit on top of my TV? The whole point of big screens is to kick back and take it all in.
HDTV has higher resolution than VGA.
If'n I wanted I could output my XBX to a VGA, I have the adapter already.
But how many of you can output to NTSC, VGA, and HDTV?

But this here argument is all aboot monitors any of which my XBX can light up.

I don't sit 1-2 feet from my TV, try 3-4. Maybe a full 9 everynow and then.

Hours and hours? Is there any other way?

The digital flat screens are getting better and better, it won't be long before they are equal to VGA if not better.

AND BIGGER.

I think you got my idea wrong. Let me clarify. If you are sitting 1-2 feet away from a monitor, your viewing sight is about the same as you are sitting far away from a big TV. I'm sorry JAG, but 3-4 feet is BS. I think an average person would sit about 6-10 feet away from a 36". Otherwise a full 9 hours is impossible, unless you are that blind. Digital flat screens are getting better, true, but it will take awhile to catch up with monitors. Monitors will be improving in the process also, so don't forget about that point.

Where have you been JAG these years? The last time I checked there are cards that lets you hook up your computer to a TV. HDTV cards are also available for the PC. Finally, the X-box is all made of "PC" parts. Windows, Hardrive, Network Card, and etc. So do you still think PC games are not played as it should be?

toxic

12-17-2002, 05:19 PM

lets face it people you are game addicts stop arguing and feed your addiction

Deadlus

12-20-2002, 12:49 AM

@ Toxic Gaming is not an addiction, it's a way to exercise your mind or to release stress. An addiction usually is something bad, and I don't see gaming is anything near to bad. PPL/Government blames video games are bad for games because they don't want to blame there parents for not supervising there own kids. Anyways, this is just a debate. Everyone is right for there own opinions and sometimes is nice to listen to other's opinions. The more you listen, the wiser you will be.

Vile

12-20-2002, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by toxic
lets face it people you are game addicts stop arguing and feed your addiction

Adiction? It has nothing to do with that. It's about peoples opinions on certain platforms.

ncasebee

12-21-2002, 07:44 AM

Gaming really helps me relax after a day. It might even be the thing that keeps me a nonviolent person, because I release my stress in SOF2/ GTA Vice City.

I would much rather play games stretched out on a couch than rigid in a chair.Also who was it that said PC's do many things consoles don't. I cant think of any. The bragging rights of keyboard, mice, and online play are gone.The modding aspect is also gone, because developers are adding as time goes on through downloads.Heck the XBOX even has Ethernet and a Hard Drive. We even have real time strategy to an extent. What can a PC do that a Console can't.

Deadlus

12-21-2002, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Vile

my PC can rip dvds, rip CD's into MP3s. I can also browse the Net and download files around speeds of 500-600 K. Can your console do that? JAP, my PC can emulate 10+ other platforms. Can your console do that? I can watch/listen to streaming video/sound on my PC, can your console do that?

Above are examples what a pc can do that consoles can't. RTS are crap on Consoles. PC has the best RTS, period. No argument.

ncasebee

12-21-2002, 10:22 PM

Ok I gonna have to agree with you about the RTS. You're right, but I was talking about gaming related thing, not burning etc. Gaming wise.

Rayder

12-21-2002, 11:14 PM

I'm a CONsole-to-PC convert. I had ALL the CONsoles up to PS1. Then I got into PC's. PC's are just SOOOO much more useful in every way. I can play games that were made 20 years ago, can't do that on a console. Now I have MOST of those older consoles in ONE location, ON MY PC!

Ever since I got into PC's, television resolution just doesn't cut it for me anymore. Gots to have my Anti-Aliased, Anistropic Filtered 1600x1200!

BUT, CONsoles DO have one advantage, they have the FUN games. All you get on the PC is bunch of cookie-cutter FPS's, boring strategy games and tedious simulations. You only get a teeny tiny fraction of the FUN games for PC. And when you do get them, they are just ones that were on a CONsole last year, usually.

Most of the games on the PC expect you to play them with a keyboard and mouse. BALONEY!!!! The keyboard is for typing messages and the mouse is for clicking on icons, not for playing games. I don't care what anyone says about that. I HATE playing a so-called action game with a KB & M, that's just stupid, IMO.

Microsoft is just stabbing PC owners in the back with the X-Box, all it is is a dedicated PC for playing games. BUT, of course, a PC game won't play in it. Nor will an X-box game play on a PC. You see my point?

So, to get my FUN game fix, I'm supposed to get a CONsole that will be JUNK in a few short years? I don't think so. I'll just wait a few years and get that stuff emulated on my PC, FOR FREE! Yeah, I have to upgrade my PC occasionally. But at least I can SEE a difference when I do and I get the satisfaction of making it the way I want it to be.

Meanwhile, I'm stuck waiting for some FUN game to MAYBE come down the pipe at the rate of MAYBE 1 or 2 games every couple of months.

CONsoles are ruining PC gaming. :flame: Unless you actually like those cookie-cutter FPS's, boring strategy games and simulations. I don't, I like FUN games. But I won't be a slave to some CONsole just to get them. I'm patient.

:D Sorry to rant and rave on my first post here, but I just had to say something about this CONsole/PC debate.

toxic

12-21-2002, 11:51 PM

okay back to the original thread the guy has had enough.he is sick of playing catchup
games are becoming more system intensive thats the way people want them really, they want the latest game to be better than the last one, they want the graphics to be stunning, they want the game arena to be bigger and to run these games you need to upgrade on a regular basis .
the reason this dont happen on consoles is because the console makers dont want to make their consoles look cheezy why would sony introduce a game that made their kit look naff.
the software houses know this and write games to suit
if you game on a pc then you will spend most or all of your disposable income on upgrades its a curse but i love it and i wouldnt change it.
anyway but best of luck with ya new console m8
p.s. if you need something printed out dont ask me just sell ya console and buy a pc
anyway im off for two weeks hol have a nice xmas and a happy new year sunshine here i come

Banana-King

12-25-2002, 07:00 PM

I hate PCs because there is alot of stuffing around, but they can do more then consoles.

To make w3 run better, turn particles on low, that chunks it up, and keep it updated.

Bandit

12-26-2002, 03:04 PM

That happens to me to i have a AMD 1300 MHZ but it does help a little, if those games are running slow try other games not all games are slow like warcraft 3 and UT2003.

ncasebee

01-21-2003, 07:48 AM

I take it all back people. After playing Battlefield 1942 my faith in PC's has been completely restored:clap:

Aman

01-21-2003, 07:54 AM

Originally posted by ncasebee
I take it all back people. After playing Battlefield 1942 my faith in PC's has been completely restored:clap: - YAY!!! Long live a PC Gaming fan! :clap:

AltimaDragon

01-23-2003, 05:16 AM

Wow, alot of words flying around about both consoles and pc's.

Most of you guys are right, you can't compare, exspecially when
it comes to the individual, who in their own opinion would like
the console over the pc. Why, because it is there opinion, even
though you can spend mad money on getting the superhellamega
computer that can out preform anything. Me, I like both, and I
play both equally.

Ncasebee, if you are looking to increase the preformance of your
computer, and have money to spend, this is what I recommend.

*Dual processors or the Zeons with the Hyper Threading.
*A Double Data Rate mother board, for improved transfer of data.
*Until the Geforce FX comes out, try a Radeon 9600
*Also go with a mother board with RAID, and get atleast 3 hard
drives so you can do RAID 1 which is stripping, which increases
the proformance of data through put between your HDD and your
computer.
*If your on a 56k connection to your computer, put in two
modems and shotgun two connections for over 56k to about
almost 115k connect, but if you have DSL or Cable modem, than
that is even better.
*To increase the max proformance of your CPU, I would
recommend over clocking dual processors, which in my system
is two Pentium 3 1.4 Ghz 512k L2 Cache with a water cooled
system from coolance. I was able, by shorting out pins 1 and 2,
that I was able to over clock the processors to 2.1 Ghz each.
I would recommend if overclocking, to get a water cooled system,
because if not, you have a chance of burning out your processors.
*But like I said, you will need some money. I do have alot of ideas
if you need help on what to do, and what to get, if you want, PM
me. I will give you some insites on where to go to by and get
specks.

Other than that, you can't justify on what is good or bad about
a console or a pc. They are just there, and people will continue
to purchase these items wheather they are getting a PS2million,
some 5 Thz processor super computer. I like both, I play both,
and I am happy. I hope you are happy with both ncasebee.