Another anti-PS3 kiddie claim trashed

[Guruboy]

Anti PS3 claim: Sony will lose too much money on the PS3 and will go bankrupt

Response from someone with a brain: Sony reported profits of $279.4 million dollars this quarter.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6154726.html

The figure was a massive improvement over the same quarter in 2005, which saw Sony take a 6.58 billion yen ($56.9 million) loss. The company credited its turnaround to strong sales of digital cameras and improved currency exchange rates.

Explanation for quote: Sony put all of its money into PS3, Cell, and Blu-Ray? They attribute their gain to "strong camera sales"...aaaaand you're wrong, anti-PS3-person.

more clarification: Remember that the most expensive part of the production of a new product is just that...production. Sony's started building PS3s already...the PS3 now exists...satisfied? They've gotten Cell and Blu-Ray and the console in general to complete production, and unless Sony loses their industry-leading fanbase, they have nowhere to go but up.

Conclusion: See thread topic.

...pwned

[Erasmus]

Very good. You just argued a case against yourself, and won.

Well done.

[Guruboy]

I would hate to think that even one of your 257 posts on this forum were as brainless as that one, Erasmus. I only voiced one opinion of myself. The opinion I was arguing against was one of children all over the world.

Examples of other pwned claims by said children:

PS3 will be delayed again
Sony copied the motion sensing idea from Nintendo
Cell yields will ruin PS3 production (it's started, people)
PS3 will be over $700 (read old MG comments pages)

I could think of more, but I've tried talking to a wall, and I've never gotten anywhere.

Someone apparently hasn't been keeping up with the ridiculous claims of Xbox, Wii, and PC faboys.

<sarcastic>Thank you for contributing such an intelligent post to this extremely active forum</sarcastic>

[JAGPANZER]

How trite.

I personally know no one daft enough to claim that Sony will go
bankrupt over the PS3: we are all in agreement that it won't do as
well as they expect it to, but bankrupt? lol not by a long shot.

I do know that Sony borrowed just shy of $700 million to cover
PS3 expenses..that was reported by Bloomberg and linked from Gamasutra.

Add to that the Tokyo Tax Authority has a claim against Sony to the
tune of $244 million for under reporting the company's earnings.

MS in contrast paid for X360 production completely out of pocket.
The IRS has an office on the MS Redmond HQ; they are current with their taxes.

So if Sony pays off their tax debt to the TTA
they will clear a little over $35 million.
But when viewed against the last Q's
loss they are still down -$20 million.....yeah the total numbers suck.

As for your other ramblings. The talk regarding the price was not a result
of mass delusion; it was the response to the SCEEU veep who publicly
stated the price would be in the 500 euro range.
I didn't realize that you weren't aware of the price conversion of euro's
to dollars; a 500 euro item is in the neighborhood of 700 dollars depending
on the exchange rate that day.
The ONLY reason that Sony is dropping the price as much as they
have is due primarily to responses such as those recorded here at MG.
I know that friggin Sony Corp gear heads ghost this board among others.
Part of their job is measuring the gaming community's reactions as well
as trying to spot trends in general---they saw the writing on the BBS wall.

Unfortunately I believe that the initial price announced was still a costly
low ball given the technology package being offered. The only way to
drop the price point to X360 territory was to either take a further cash loss
and cut the price but maintain quality control and integrity.
Or cut the price as well as the quality of materials being used and the
integrity of the hardware.
I said unfortunately because my experince with Sony is that
if you take the cheap way out with them;
they give you inferior grade electronics.
If you pay the price, they will play nice.

The Sony fanbase has yet to realize the emarketing concept that
Sony is going to use for their premium PS3 online offerings.
It ain't gonna be free by a long shot.
You will pay for new cars and tracks for Gran Turismo HD.
PS Online will accept credit and debit cards as well as Sony Cash Cards.

[born2phrag]

As you've been saying Guruboy, pwned.... (by Jag)

So how good are Cells yields then? As of 2/3 weeks ago, they were about 10-20%. Now how is that any good to anyone? Clearly it's good enough for Sony to start production on their console. (In Sony's defence, the yields might have improved since 2/3 weeks ago), but still, how much better could they be?

I haven't heard anyone say Sony copied Nintendo. Simply because it's not like Nintendo 'created' motion sensors, as has been said many times on this forum, motion sensitive controllers have been around for years. The only mutterings I've heard is that Sony didn't announce/mention or hint at motion sensors until after Nintendo did.

How can Sony go up if they're already 'leading' the industry with their fanbase? The only way to go from up, is right back down. It may not happen with the PS2, but it may happen eventually.

[Erasmus]

I would hate to think that even one of your 257 posts on this forum were as brainless as that one, Erasmus. I only voiced one opinion of myself. The opinion I was arguing against was one of children all over the world.

Examples of other pwned claims by said children:

PS3 will be delayed again
Sony copied the motion sensing idea from Nintendo
Cell yields will ruin PS3 production (it's started, people)
PS3 will be over $700 (read old MG comments pages)

I could think of more, but I've tried talking to a wall, and I've never gotten anywhere.

Someone apparently hasn't been keeping up with the ridiculous claims of Xbox, Wii, and PC faboys.

<sarcastic>Thank you for contributing such an intelligent post to this extremely active forum</sarcastic>

Great! This is great. You can make up an argument against a console you like, then refute it yourself. You can then claim you've "pwned" your opposition. When someone points this out, you say their post is "brainless". Yes, you're sitting in the metaphorical forum corner arguing with yourself and you call me brainless.

I also find it highly amusing that the sort of person who uses the word "pwned" in a serious post likes to call other people childish.

I could quite easily hunt around on the internet and find some ridiculous argument against the Wii that is as easy to refute as this one was, I could then make a thread about it and point out the flaws in the argument. The reason I don't do so is because it would make me look like a nintendo fanboy, which I'm not, it would be pointless and prove absolutely nothing, and it is, above all, a completely inane thing to do.

[acal3000]

Maybe the PS3 won't be the most sold console of the next generation but from that to sony go t bankrupt is exaggereted. they have to many divisions (electronic,computing,media,moble phone,etc) consoles is just one division they lots of parts in the company to backup losses

[Random]

Lol! I love bull$hit PS3 roumours like that, they give me something to laugh at every now and then! :grin:

[Guruboy]

born2phrag get up on the news. PS3 production has already begun, apparently they'll have 200,000 units by the end of the month. Who gives a crap about Cell yields when they'll still make the number? People that want to see the PS3 fail, that's who.

How can Sony go up if they're already 'leading' the industry with their fanbase? The only way to go from up, is right back down. It may not happen with the PS2, but it may happen eventually.

If you're going to use simple physics laws to argue and predict the outcome of a commercial product release, be my guest. The Playstation fanbase leads the industry, period. It can go up because Sony is no longer targeting just gamers. I'm sure if the PS3 has an acceptable Bly-Ray player that people looking for a good deal on a BD player that costs less than the current dedicated ones, it would be a good choice.

I'm genuinely serious about people saying that Sony would go under from the PS3. Have you all been looking at MG comments pages? I know those kids are really stupid, but it's what they say.

PS3 online gaming has been confirmed free out of the box, that's all I have to say there.

Hey, I'm not saying Sony is doing even marginally well financially by any means, I only wanted to point out the futile attempt by so many people to undermind the PS3 and try to come up with excuses why it's the worst choice.

[STi FlyBy]

I'm sure if the PS3 has an acceptable Bly-Ray player that people looking for a good deal on a BD player that costs less than the current dedicated ones, it would be a good choice.

Is it going to be as good as the PS/2 DVD player? Is Blu-Ray going to be as popular as Betamax?

[born2phrag]

born2phrag get up on the news. PS3 production has already begun, apparently they'll have 200,000 units by the end of the month. Who gives a crap about Cell yields when they'll still make the number? People that want to see the PS3 fail, that's who.
Ummm.... I know PS3 production has already started... I stated it in my orignal post. People "give a crap" about Cell yields because they don't want an inferior product. Are you saying that it's ok to start production using Cell chips that are only yielding 10-20% at most? Not to mention the issues with defective logic/SPEs and failing clock target tests.

[JAGPANZER]

If you're going to use simple physics laws to argue and predict the outcome of a commercial product release, be my guest. The Playstation fanbase leads the industry, period. It can go up because Sony is no longer targeting just gamers. I'm sure if the PS3 has an acceptable Bly-Ray player that people looking for a good deal on a BD player that costs less than the current dedicated ones, it would be a good choice.

I'm genuinely serious about people saying that Sony would go under from the PS3. Have you all been looking at MG comments pages? I know those kids are really stupid, but it's what they say.

PS3 online gaming has been confirmed free out of the box, that's all I have to say there.


The Sony fanbase is largely mythical and hyped.
Witness how well the Hdd was embraced.
Witness EA having to ditch exclusivity contracts with PS Online
in order to keep from losing money. EA hit XBX LV with a vengence
in order to recoup money lost on PSOnline.
KILLZONE was hyped as a HALO killer; many a Sony fanboy posted here
that it would be a must have title for the PS2; and if just half the current
PS2 owners out there bought it, it would outsell HALO in one weekend.
I mocked them saying I doubted half the PS2's sold so far still even worked.
Going by that assumption I teased that it wouldn't come close to either HALO.

And it didn't. In all fairness KZ was a pretty cool game; it wasn't fair to throw
it against HALO--HALO is a bird of a different feather--KZ on it's own merits
is a good game......but it didn't match up to HALO's sales.
Outside of FF titles nothing has even come close.

Now I don't attribute this to half of the PS2's ever sold are broken.
I seriously doubt half....maybe a fifth.

What I do do attribute this to is that there is no serious
Sony fanbase beyond their MMORPG offerings.
Money talks suckers walk.

Some features of PSOnline will be free out of the box much as XBX LV
is kinda free at a very base level.

If you own a PS3 and want additional gaming downloads
be it map/mods/whatever via PSOnline you will pay for it.
This comes straight out of the mouth of the SCEA veep.

Much like XBX there will be free downloads as well.
But the premium offerings will be more sophisticated.

YOU WILL PAY FOR PSONLINE PREMIUM FEATURES

The fact you seem to have trouble accepting that fact just further
shows the nonexistant sony fanbase--they will not pay

By contrast I made a mock up of a future XBXLV billing statement
showing me rack up over $130 in one month for mods, skins, maps,
equalizer packs and service charges in addition to my std $10 monthly fee.

That brief example shows why XBXLV will prosper and PSOnline will struggle.

Unless the Sony fanboys are willing to come loose of more money,
the future is practically set before they even start.

[born2phrag]

$10 a month? Isn't it cheaper to buy the yearly subscrition? I don't know how much it is in the states, but here its £40. Although on add-ons and the weekly XBXLV:Arcade updates, I think my XBXLV bill might be pretty high now that I think about it. Although I buy the 2100 credits packs. But at £20 each, thats about £40 alone. Plus the extras I bought when they ran out over the XBXLV. Sheesh, I never thought about it until now.... gonna have to cut back :(

[JAGPANZER]

It was a mock up; relax they don't offer equalizer upgrades......yet.
The actual price is $55 for the renewel; avg around 4.60 a month.
Thus far I've spent around $80 in microsoft point cards.
My problem is that I have two accounts to manage.
Mine and my sons(didn't want our LV stats overlapping using just one).
JAGTIGER has everything that JAGPANZER has for the most part.
Some maps don't share accounts so I have to buy doubles.
But ehhh, you do what you gotta do for your boy.

Yes! that is a fine example of how MS was able to have the XBX generate
more capital via XBXLV; whereas our two ps2's are dormant for the most part.
and even when fired up they generate no additional money for SCEA.

but ps online is free.......

MS is crying all the way to the bank.

[born2phrag]

but ps online is free.......

MS is crying all the way to the bank.
It's free for good reason. lol. I hated using the PSOnline browser, and the setup was so annoying, I remember having to contact tech support. Hopefully that's something they'll fix for the PS3.

JAGTIGER!? lol. That made me laugh when I read it (in a good way). No offence intended, and hopefully none felt :rolleyes:

[STi FlyBy]

http://forums.megagames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48272

HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray (a.k.a. Betamax II haha) ...

[JAGPANZER]

http://forums.megagames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48272

HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray (a.k.a. Betamax II haha) ...

No doubt, beta was superior to VHS as well then too.
If MS can get the porno industry to adopt HD-DVD then it's over.
Just like JVC did it.

JAGTIGER is very proud of his tag and notes that he thinks he can
skunk his old man now....we will see.