I refuse to support Blu-Ray!

[vrba79]

We had VHS for over 20 years.
DVD hasn't been around HALF that long(close but not quite!), I refuse to support it, Sony can suck me off, cause I ain't buying! Blu-ray:gun2:

[Erasmus]

Yeah, so?
In case you hadn't noticed you can still buy VCRs. It's not like they'll stop making DVDs and force you to buy Blu-ray.

Also, the rate of scientific and technological advance is on the increase and has been for many years. It's to be expected that the interval between product and upgrade should shorten.

[STi FlyBy]

If you remember back to when VHS first came out, there was the same type of problem ... it's nothing new ;)

[Random]

Technology is advancing far more quickly that it used to, if you can't accept that good luck to you.

I for one think Blu-Ray is a great technology, DVDs have been around since 1998, times are a'changin, stop living in the 20th century, and accept what is going to become the next media standard.

[FantasyGhost]

What i'm wondering is that about the HDMI connection to your tv. or is there a scart connection too?

[Random]

High-Definition Multimedia Interface will replace SCART, HDMI is the digial input needed for HDTV signals.

[STi FlyBy]

I just thought of an addition to the problem with the "Suck me, Sony" comment you had ... if you refuse to support blu-ray, looks like you won't be getting a PS/3, because that's the media format they're intending on using. I wouldn't suggest getting a seperate media player for blu-ray if you have a PS/3, unless you do not have a space issue for media connections. I am running low on how many inputs I have to my TV. I have 2 of those "game console selector" things plugged into each other and I'm still struggling (I have all my old consoles up to the new things plugged in so I can "travel back in time" and play classic old-school games) ...

[FantasyGhost]

High-Definition Multimedia Interface will replace SCART, HDMI is the digial input needed for HDTV signals.
Yeah i know that but what if i and i know most people in belgium don't even have a hd ready tv in their livingroom? no ps3 or what?

[Tone]

HDTV's are far to expensive if you ask me, and here in the UK, there are hardly any channels that are broadcasting HD anyhoo.. i for one will just wait, am happy with my standard widescreen tv just now.

As for the blu-ray.. well ifs up to the individual if they want to invest in it or not.. only time will tell.. As for VHS, that was invented by JVC if i remember correctly, before that it was BETAMAX, which was invented by Sony and had better quality than VHS.. but BETAMAX crashed and burned.. like i said, time will tell.

[STi FlyBy]

THANK YOU TONE! I couldn't think of the name "BETAMAX" ... I referenced the whole VHS thing ealier, but the name slipped my mind.

[acal3000]

You don't want to support blu-ray. but sony will force you to support it. They always have ways

[JAGPANZER]

Blooray is a gimmick for the most part.
Betamax offers superior picture resolution over VHS; so much so that it is
still used for commercial video purposes. If you've watched re-runs on network TV
as well as a few cable shows-you've watched Beta.
Beta lost out due to early versions of Beta couldn't record more than 40-50 mins.
Later versions solved the problem but by that point the consumers had
already leaned towards the VHS's convenient length.

Now as then the benefits of BR over HD-DVD are moot.
BR has a 50 gig capacity; HD-DVD has 45 gigs: 5 gigs won't matter that much.
The BR is still an infant technology and the developers haven't fully a integrated
DRM into the present BR devices.
The red ray HD-DVD is built upon a proven technology that is by nature
presenty on the shelf and ready to assemble-the cost is lower.

Barring some substantial increase in BR capacity; it's not that big of an improvement.

Word from MS is that add on HD-DVD player will be offered at somepoint
in the near future primarily for video playback.
There maybe 40 gig+ sized games in the future; but with peeps griping
about paying $50 for games now, what incentive is there for developers
to design a game twice the present size for in effect the same price?
HD games will ultimately carry HD prices: $70-90 USD

[Random]

Single layer HD-DVD is 15GB; double layer is 30GB and Triple (which hasn't yet been developed) is 45GB.

Single layer BR is 27GB; double layer is 54GB and 4 & 8 layer (that also hasn't been developed) can hold 100GB and 200GB.

The advantages are in black and white.

[Dr. F.G. Hobo]

High-Definition Multimedia Interface will replace SCART, HDMI is the digial input needed for HDTV signals.
and at ps3 you can't use SCART ??:graymad: :wakeup:
because I'm a poor guy and I cannot afford a HDTV :blacno

[JAGPANZER]

Single layer HD-DVD is 15GB; double layer is 30GB and Triple (which hasn't yet been developed) is 45GB.

Single layer BR is 27GB; double layer is 54GB and 4 & 8 layer (that also hasn't been developed) can hold 100GB and 200GB.

The advantages are in black and white.

I got the stated specs out of a comparison between the two formats.
From the article I got the impression that the 45 gig HD-DVD was operable.
Whereas the 100+gig BR is still being polished up.

NEITHER
of which negates my final posit being that the likelyhood of developers making
games of such a size is even further off-years almost a decade-before people
are willing to pay the price such digital content would command.
It's totally moronic to expect any gaming house to push out any 100+ gig
game for less than $150+. It ain't gonna happen.
That being the case then the cost conservative buy would be to use Red Ray.
Why ship a $65 dollar game with enough left over space on the disk for
8-10 copies of the same game? It doesn't and the corporate bean counters won't do it.
Hence there isn't much incentive for developers to embrace BR beyond what
Sony is willing to ante up.

HD-DVD's simple advantage is that it's cheaper and more economical.:nod:



BR's usefulness will be in PC's where BR-RW-there it would serve well as another type of memory drive.
It would be in effect removable optical drive disks.

Which is kick ass in it's own right-but nothing to do with HDTV.:redno:

[FantasyGhost]

Word from MS is that add on HD-DVD player will be offered at somepoint
in the near future primarily for video playback.
Don't forget they would go with BR if that's the winner from this battle.

[Random]

and at ps3 you can't use SCART ??:graymad: :wakeup:
because I'm a poor guy and I cannot afford a HDTV :blacno

Most likely the PS3 wil be backwards compatible with SCART otherwise Sony will have shot themselfs in the foot, if ya know what I mean! ;)

[Dr. F.G. Hobo]

Most likely the PS3 wil be backwards compatible with SCART otherwise Sony will have shot themselfs in the foot, if ya know what I mean! ;)
yeah I know what you mean and thanx for respose:evil:

[lowestseries]

Single layer HD-DVD is 15GB; double layer is 30GB and Triple (which hasn't yet been developed) is 45GB.

Single layer BR is 27GB; double layer is 54GB and 4 & 8 layer (that also hasn't been developed) can hold 100GB and 200GB.

The advantages are in black and white.

well sony said that they are going to use the br 54gig because they can put much more data in it plus the games will be biggers than the pc games and they didnt mention anything about 4 & 8 layer disks that will be years ahead

[JAGPANZER]

Sony isn't going to sell any 54 gig game that will be affordable.
Get that through your head.
A 54 gig game for like what $300+ that's easily $500 worth of gaming code.

More likely the 54 gig capacity will be used for the DVR/Tivo aspect of the PS3.

Sony would be fools beyond belief to do otherwise