Thoughts on the REV/PS3

[ZippyDSMlee]

I dont know the controller seems...iffy...the pay for online retro gameing is nice but....besides that will it be more than the GC? the GC seems to be stuck in a rut..I like the system and all..but the rev is looking like it could kill nintendo....

If the PS3 is anyhtign liek teh PS2 it should have enough games to make it worth while...altho like the 360 if they pull a low or ZERO game launch it wont be worth touching for a year or 2.....

My thoughts on the 360 are right now at this time it suxs...that or I sux for not haveing 600 to burn on it *L* (yes I realy dont care for the 360 as it is right now)

[JAGPANZER]

Nintendo needs to clear the board and start with a clean slate.
Have the Rev be able to play X360 games-in better resolution-through
downloadable keys from NINCOM.
Have NINCOM be the gaming server to be at with free play zones and times;
as well as downloadable premium content.
Give the Rev not only the ability to handle up to 8 controllers,
but also the ability to output to two different TV's.
Use the DS as the basis for the Rev controller.

Do all that and the Nintendo doesn't need to play movies.

The PS3? Hrumph.....that Spiderman font piece of carp:
Sony was totally lacking in support for the US market.
For the longest we had no hard drives, no browser, no network,
no colored consoles-nothing.
It's been different with the PSP; maybe Sony has seen the err of their ways.

We'll see, but I ain't getting my hopes up.

My X360 kicks a$$.
PGR3 is a beauty
Call of Duty is brutal
Kong is King
NBA06 Bball4all
@$60 a pop the library is growing fast enough
the downloadable games from XBXLV Arcade
are the classics we old timers remember fondly(if somewhat hazy).

The X360 only sux if you don't have one w/ a gold account.

[culubalo]

The X360 only sux if you don't have one w/ a gold account.
I'd prefer to save my money, I can download 'classic' games from the internet for the computer for free.

For the longest we had no hard drives, no browser, no network,
no colored consoles-nothing.
It's been different with the PSP; maybe Sony has seen the err of their ways.
that has more to do wtih technological limitations and lack of willingness by the market to accept, would you have bought a ps2 with a 20gig harddrive and the promise it will surf the iternet via a bloody controller if you paid 3x what it was worth? ANyway, when you are the only giant seller in a company virtually lacking in competition your not giong to bother about selling hardware loaded with althose features, I mean who cares there is no alternative? NO competition=no worries.

[smile1sm]

that has more to do wtih technological limitations and lack of willingness by the market to accept, would you have bought a ps2 with a 20gig harddrive and the promise it will surf the iternet via a bloody controller if you paid 3x what it was worth? ANyway, when you are the only giant seller in a company virtually lacking in competition your not giong to bother about selling hardware loaded with althose features, I mean who cares there is no alternative? NO competition=no worries.

Technological advances? Please. If the XBOX can have a HDD, then I see no 'technological' reason why the PS2 couldn't.

Sony had (still do) everything ready to release a HDD for the PS2 (I think they have in the US, I know they have in Japan) and yet they still managed to screw it up.

Have you even used the PSO service? Its a joke compared to XBXLV. Havving to login everytime you wanted to play a game online, no downloadable content, no stat tracking (except on EA games). PSO is a 'no-thrills' disappointment of an online serviece.

No alternative? THE FRIGGIN' XBOX IS THE ALTERNATIVE! Ok, the PS2 has 'won' the console wars of this (or previous) generation, but look at how long it has been available. And the fact that people trust it due to the 'playstation' brand.

If the console wars winner were to be determined on quality, exclusive games, the PS2 wouldn't stand a chance.

[culubalo]

Technological advances? Please. If the XBOX can have a HDD, then I see no 'technological' reason why the PS2 couldn't.
ps2 came out BEFORE the xbox ;) I suppose you are also going to mock sony for premounting the ps3 with a blu-ray drive when the 360 is going to have it as an addon some time in the future?

No alternative? THE FRIGGIN' XBOX IS THE ALTERNATIVE! Ok, the PS2 has 'won' the console wars of this (or previous) generation, but look at how long it has been available. And the fact that people trust it due to the 'playstation' brand.
Once again, the ps2 came out BEFORE the xbox, there was no alternative when it came out now was there?
If the console wars winner were to be determined on quality, exclusive games, the PS2 wouldn't stand a chance.
well, it isnt, its determined by which company has greater trust. If it was determined by quality (which hardly anything is anymore) the ps2 would imo win (though there is nothing soeone can say to prove me right or wrong, its a mute discussion). ps2 is backward compatible with ps1, has a larger library of games, including some of what is considered to be the best exclusive titles including final fantasy, killzone, okami, heaps and heaps, in fact there was an editor for some game website who proclaimed it wasnt fair that the ps2 was hogging all the good games, if you look at it in terms of stats you will see more ps2 games scored high in reviews than xbox exclusives did. For quality the ps2 not a big ugly fat piece of ++++ eyesore, controllers are decent sized and considered by most the best of this generation (I dont agree on that), comes from a trusted brand that has already solidified its place in the console industry years before ms and other stuff.

Now look at xbox: halo 1, halo 2, a hard drive, slightly better processing power, anything else?

[JAGPANZER]

Steel Batallion
Steel Batallion II
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black
Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay
MechAssault
MechAssault II: Lone Wolf
Project Gotham Racing I, II, III
Unreal Tournament I, II
Dead or Alive III
Stubbs the Zombie
HALO I, II
That's off the top of my mind(and library).

The XBX versions of Ghost Recon, Rainbow 6, Splinter Cell, Grand Theft Auto,
Madden, among others have offered the option of using your own sound track
(GTA), downloading additional maps/features(GR, R6, SC) downloading
roster updates(Madden, NBA 06).

Apart from various XBX games using the music stored on your Hdd,
they all offered 5.1 audio as well as support for various HD formats.
At least the GameCube offered DTS.
PS2 didn't support 5.1 in game until late 2003.
True HD output wasn't offered until shortly thereafter.
There will be no BR add-on for the X360; that's redundant.
More likely is that later X360's will come with a BR instead of an RR.
If it judged a matter of market demand that is.
I don't think BR is neccesary for HD video output.

The multiplayer universe known as XBXLV is altogether a new experience.
Free demos, premium downloads, leagues, tournaments.
On PGR TV I can view not only my replays, I can watch the worlds best
PGR racers replays as well-get tips from watching their races.
and more....

The PS2 was the original big ugly fat fugger.
At least the XBX was crammed full of goodies that the chintzy nips
didn't think we nonjap gamers deserved.
HDD, 10/100 ethernet port, and two extra controller ports.
The US PS2's console shell was as empty as your argument.
A cavern for the Hdd that came 2 yrs later and was legacied within 9 months.
Sony finally figured who they kidding? Not enough people verifiably use PSOL
to justify spending the money to push Hdd's; so they axe it in the redesign
but kept the network connector to maintain a symbolic presence online.
Oh yeah and BTW, your old PS2 multi-port doesn't work with the new design.
So unless you gave up on the PS2 by now,
you go buy a new multi port-OEM of course
...........you fat razy round eye :dorky:


The jap gamers got internal and external Hdds, network connectors,
multi-colored consoles.

We got left overs
It's completely delusional to even think otherwise.:rednone:

[culubalo]

Lets see the list with ommited results
Steel Batallion
Steel Batallion II
Ninja Gaiden
Ninja Gaiden Black
Project Gotham Racing I, II, III
Dead or Alive III
HALO I, II
You forget half-life 2 ;)
I cut off titles from it that werent exclusively for the xbox, in fact most of them were developed for the pc originaly ;)
I dont appreciate seeing 360 games up there given that sony is yet to respond with the ps3, but you can keep it there if you want.

Apart from various XBX games using the music stored on your Hdd,
they all offered 5.1 audio as well as support for various HD formats.
At least the GameCube offered DTS.
PS2 didn't support 5.1 in game until late 2003.
there was no need for it to support 5.1. Most people didnt have usrround sound when the ps2 debuted.

The PS2 was the original big ugly fat fugger.
and ms proved to sony that they can win even in that fight with their own monstrosity, seriously, atleast the ps2 would go well with my tv and anyone elses tv but the xbox was a big fat ugly eye-sore, it looks like it was released too soon.

The multiplayer universe known as XBXLV is altogether a new experience.
Free demos, premium downloads, leagues, tournaments.
On PGR TV I can view not only my replays, I can watch the worlds best
PGR racers replays as well-get tips from watching their races.
and more....
thats great, goes well with what you said about the 360 not being that great if you didnt own an xbox live gold account. How much does it cost btw? So what, if I am gong to go out and buy an xbox 360 I am going to have to get a bloody gold account to match and make sure I make bill gates wallet even fatter as every month passes by? So what od I get in return? A bunch of replay videos and tournaments? There are already zillions of websites out there that have videos of games in action by the best of the best, and tournament organizations, and hey, I dont have to fork out all that money for them every miserable month.

The jap gamers got internal and external Hdds, network connectors,
multi-colored consoles.

We got left overs
It's completely delusional to even think otherwise.
lol, I know how that feels. I suppose you despise sony for giving the japanese all that goodness while leaving you yanks out of it all? Yeah, I dont blame you for it, still, if you are so keen on 'multi-coloured' consoles how come your not dissing the xbox for coming in one colour: black.

[smile1sm]

ps2 came out BEFORE the xbox I suppose you are also going to mock sony for premounting the ps3 with a blu-ray drive when the 360 is going to have it as an addon some time in the future?

Releasing a HDD was in Sony's plans. They gave the US and European consoles a gaping hole for one, and the Japanese ones had a serial port for an external one, beofre later models also included the 'gaping hole'. When they eventually released a HDD, it failed miserably due to a lack of a real reason for anyone to buy/use one. OK admittedly FFXI would have tempted me into buying one, had Sony released the HDD here in the UK.

...if you are so keen on 'multi-coloured' consoles how come your not dissing the xbox for coming in one colour: black.

Here in the UK we had a Crystal and Green XBOX. I know in Japan MS released a blue one to coincide with the release of Halo 2. We even had a silver and aqua PS2 (for a limited time).

...You forget half-life 2
I cut off titles from it that werent exclusively for the xbox, in fact most of them were developed for the pc originaly

You say you cut off games that were developed for the PC originally, yet you add Half Life 2 to the list? To me that makes no sence. And Riddick was ported to the PC, not from. Also, I think Jag meant Unreal Championship 1 & 2, not Unreal Tournament ;)

[culubalo]

Releasing a HDD was in Sony's plans. They gave the US and European consoles a gaping hole for one, and the Japanese ones had a serial port for an external one, beofre later models also included the 'gaping hole'. When they eventually released a HDD, it failed miserably due to a lack of a real reason for anyone to buy/use one. OK admittedly FFXI would have tempted me into buying one, had Sony released the HDD here in the UK.
lol, so I suppose there was no reason for a hdd, so why even bother throwing it in a console and bloating the price?

Atleast sony had the decency to try and make the ps2 look half decent, I mean come on, the xbox looks so darn ugly and big...

You say you cut off games that were developed for the PC originally, yet you add Half Life 2 to the list? To me that makes no sence. And Riddick was ported to the PC, not from. Also, I think Jag meant Unreal Championship 1 & 2, not Unreal Tournament
it was a sarcastic joke, he mentioned so many cross platform titles but forgot half-life 2.

I know he meant unreal championship, but its basically unreal tournament wiht modified gameplay to suit console.

chronicles of riddick is hardly an exclusive title for xbox now is it?

When I refer to good games, I mean good exclusive games otherwise there is no reason the xbox is better than the ps2 now is it?

Here in the UK we had a Crystal and Green XBOX. I know in Japan MS released a blue one to coincide with the release of Halo 2. We even had a silver and aqua PS2 (for a limited time).
good goly, crystal and green? NOw I want one! Yeah no surprise, ms desperately wanted to sell there overweight puppy to the already saturated market in japan and thought through some miracle the japanese would buy an xbox because of halo 2, and it was blue not black, wow. I'm sure the japanese are smarter than to fall for that trick.


All things said and done, ms having had more time to develop the 360 *properly* have finally coime up with something though I wouldnt put in my living room, I know most people would, its the same size but atleast its good to look at and doesnt need ot be hidden behind the tv when not in use...

[smile1sm]

Basically your main argument is an aesthetic one. You are basing the success of a console on its appearance, which all things considered isn't really that important of a factor in my opinion. How something looks has no bases on how it performs.


When I refer to good games, I mean good exclusive games otherwise there is no reason the xbox is better than the ps2 now is it?

Go on then. Name as many good exclusive PS2 games as Jag did for the XBOX. Not counting the ones you took off I make 11 (inc. Unreal Champ 1 & 2, not inc. PGR3).

[JAGPANZER]

No doubt,
Riddick is an XBX Xclusive
The MechAssaults are friggin poster children for XBXLV
Stubbs is Xclusive
As was Unreal.
Heck I almost forgot
PANZER DRAGOON OORTA

The PS2 didn't have the juice needed to run these games period.

Sony screwed up with the PS2 Hdd, and everyone except you realizes that.
So much so that Sony has plans for int and ext Hdd's for the PS3.

There was a cool white XBX for Panzer Dragoon; alas at over $700 for that one
my wife would divorce me if I did that.
I got my translucent green HALO XBX which was cool enough.

The PS2 was meant for kids and teenagers with at most a 20" TV
which the PS2 would either be balanced on top of it; or squeezed next to it.

The XBX was designed for discriminating adults who had large TV's as well as 5.1 DDS.
The XBX was intended to fit in an entertainment center not a dorm room.

Funny, Sony didn't pursue 5.1 because they claim few people had 5.1 set ups.
But they will have the PS3 offer full 1080p video;
at a time when even fewer people have 1080p tv's than did 5.1.

yeah, makes no sense.

As for XBXLV I have 2 accounts.
JAGPANZER-that's me
JAGTIGER-that's my boy
both are gold accounts.
The subscription to XBXLV runs $50US each for one year.
You will need a credit card for the XBX Marketplace.
It costs nothing to register with XBXM; that is until you start buying things.
I estimate I will spend an additional $80-160 at the XBXM over the next year.
My boy will spend half of that.
I've been a LV member since September 2002 beta group 3.
The service is flawless.

Sure you can go to one web site for retro gaming.
Go to another for their exclusive movies/previews.
Go to another for what amounts to chat rooms.
Go to another for multiplayer gaming.
Go to another for stats of your team/league/clan.

Or you can go to one: XBXLV:turn:

It's not my problem if you can't afford it.
Get a real job or STFU.

Enjoy the freebie PSOL while it lasts.
Mark my words it will change to a subscriber service: probably $10 cheaper than LV.

[culubalo]

Riddick is an XBX Xclusive
The MechAssaults are friggin poster children for XBXLV
Stubbs is Xclusive
As was Unreal.
Heck I almost forgot
PANZER DRAGOON OORTA
erm, wha? Its hardly an 'xclusive' if its on more than one platform now is it? stubbs is on computer, same with mech assault and unreal championship as I said was unreal tournament modified to suit console gameplay and a few extras here and there as usually happens when games go cross platform.

The PS2 didn't have the juice needed to run these games period.

Sony screwed up with the PS2 Hdd, and everyone except you realizes that.
So much so that Sony has plans for int and ext Hdd's for the PS3.
hey, I dont give a damn about a harddrive, I have a media center PC that I can hook up to my tv and run just about any games (including ironically halo 1) through a wireless controller on my widescreen tv in true widescreen format and it will look better than an xbox or ps2 rendered game, because my computer is several times more powerful than a ps2 or xbox hence can support the higher resolution and best of all it has a built in harddrive w00t!
I mean quite frankly, sony might have screwed up the harddrive but that hardly affected anything now did it?

Sure you can go to one web site for retro gaming.
Go to another for their exclusive movies/previews.
Go to another for what amounts to chat rooms.
Go to another for multiplayer gaming.
Go to another for stats of your team/league/clan.

Or you can go to one: XBXLV
I have it all on my computer, I can bookmark it all too you know. I can make it infinitely more efficient than xbxlv could ever do ;), best of all, no problems with the bloody remote control.

It's not my problem if you can't afford it.
Get a real job or STFU.
I'm a student.
Enjoy the freebie PSOL while it lasts.
Mark my words it will change to a subscriber service: probably $10 cheaper than LV.
these freebies have been around for as long as there have been games rendered unto the third dimension and perhaps before that, if they cease to exist it would be due to some unscrupulous act by some big company.

To be honest, this last geneartion of consoles have been a let down, by all sides, sony, ms and nintendo. They all screwed up big time here or there.

[JAGPANZER]

You're a student,
that's evident; you have a lot to learn.

This is aboot consoles the fact that you retreat to the PC as some sort
of high ground is absurd and reveals you don't have an argument.

All consoles games will run on a computer because they are computers-just dinky ones usually.

That's one hell of a bookmark hyperlink.
I only go to one place period; it's everything I require.

XBX didn't let anybody down: out of all three it is the only one that did what it said it would do.

A bud of mine runs a Tribes server and while he is quick to point
out the differences between Unreal PC and Unreal XBX.
He at least concedes that LV is smoother and easier to manage.
By the time his server is warmed up and getting it's lobby filled,
I'm already into my second session.

I know of no one with a PC matching the X360 yet.
It's running a dual core chip set CPU with a GPU card carrying 512 megs of RAM.
The most people usually have is 256.
The gaming rigs are out there I have seen them.
I know of no one who owns one though.

[culubalo]

You're a student,
that's evident; you have a lot to learn.

If you know what they teach me you'd take back that remark ;)

This is aboot consoles the fact that you retreat to the PC as some sort
of high ground is absurd and reveals you don't have an argument.
no, I'm saying put simply: I have a console to play games with and a pc to do all the other stuff.
That's one hell of a bookmark hyperlink.
I only go to one place period; it's everything I require.
think about it this way: you go to xbox live and you got links to all the other stuff, I open internet explorer click on faveourites and I have the links to all of that you have on xbox live.

A bud of mine runs a Tribes server and while he is quick to point
out the differences between Unreal PC and Unreal XBX.
He at least concedes that LV is smoother and easier to manage.
By the time his server is warmed up and getting it's lobby filled,
I'm already into my second session.
yeah, thats how it is if you run a server, especially since sierra online doesnt run anymore. Its just as easy to start up a game in gamespy as it is with something from xbox live, and just about every game that comes out nowadays and certainly every multiplayer focused game on the pc has gamespy running, your argument is mute and pointlessly offtopic too.

I know of no one with a PC matching the X360 yet.
It's running a dual core chip set CPU with a GPU card carrying 512 megs of RAM.
The most people usually have is 256.
The gaming rigs are out there I have seen them.
I know of no one who owns one though.
I know of people, who have dual core cpu's, and an nvidia sli setup of two highend 7800gtx's, that is nearly twice the speed of an xbox 360. give it 6 months to a year and most highendish computers will have more grunt than an xbox 360.

Unless you have a widescreen HD enabled plasma TV you wont see any difference between a pc game and a 360 game, and we all know how much they cost.

Arguing about the power of the 360 is pretty dumb, give it 6 months, maybe a year and the 360 will be like any normal PC, give it two years and games on the 360 will look dull'n'average except the few 'tech level' games that may be released, towards its last 2 years it will be chugging along like an old tractor.

[JN4OldSchool]

Arguing about the power of the 360 is pretty dumb, give it 6 months, maybe a year and the 360 will be like any normal PC, give it two years and games on the 360 will look dull'n'average except the few 'tech level' games that may be released, towards its last 2 years it will be chugging along like an old tractor.

All right you two, back to your corners for a sec!

Sorry to cut in, but doesnt this hold true with any technology? Hell, every three months computers evolve to something new. New GPUs, new CPUs, new protocals such as PCI-E or the new AMD socket, bigger HDs...You can sit around the rest of your life not purchasing any electronic gizmo in fear that something better will be released tomorrow. It will. But this is today, the here and now. I can remember when Windows 95 was the cat's meow, now it is just a pathetic pile of crap. Sorry CULUBALO, you are holding your own against JAG, I will give you that, but this argument is as moot as the argument you just cited JAG for.

OK, now, come out swinging!

(ding)

[smile1sm]

Firstly, Unreal Championship 2 is more than just Unreal Tournament with modded gameplay. They enahnced the entire engine. Epic have said that the Unreal Engine 2X (Unreal Championship 2) is more advanced than the standard Unreal Engine 2 (Unreal Tournament 2004).

Secondly:

Go on then. Name as many good exclusive PS2 games as Jag did for the XBOX. Not counting the ones you took off I make 11 (inc. Unreal Champ 1 & 2, not inc. PGR3).

Edit: Take Halo 1 off since its out on the PC, so that makes 10 games.

[arckane]

I do believe that there are only a few uses for either the Xbox or the PS2:

Play over rated games or install Linux :p Yup, that's right, Sony released a development kit including:

Network Card
Hard disk
Keyboard
Mouse
Linux for PS2

Yeah, admittadly it fell on it's face, hence we didn't see it outside of Japan, but it was there. The same goes for the Xbox. I can't wait to see Linux on the Xbox 360 :)

Aside from that, the power of each machine is fair. The Xbox was a decent spec'd console as was the PS2 for their respective release dates. The Xbox 360 is probably equivilent considering todays technology. Hell, if games would run on our compute cluster of 64 machines running AMD 64 x2 (HP racks) the 360 would look like an old dog already.

IMO the Revolution will be something to talk about. I have a feeling that there are a lot of top bosses in Nintendo worrying about their shares so much that this machine is going to be an amazing release, something to better both the 360 and PS3 on it's release.

I'd like to see this argument continue in 6 months (Hell, I may even bookmark this one and revive it!) when both PS3 and Revolution are on the scene.

Anyhow, keep up the fight guys, it's keeping me entertained. Oh yeah, culubalo, what are you studying? :)

[JN4OldSchool]

lol ARCKANE, a man after my own heart. If you cant put Linux in it somehow then it aint worth a $&*#!!!

[JAGPANZER]

The linux kit was available off the usplaystation site for awhile.
I got one; wasn't impressed-my brother in law who's a linux nerd
was foaming at the mouth for me to give it to him, ehhh he seemed to get a kick out of it.

There aren't too many PC's with the X's innards.
I know they exist; the Dell XPS series has some monsters available
for those with the coin to afford it. Same with Alienware and others.
My point is that outside of your HCPC gamers; most people don't.
256 is the norm for GPU's; the 512's are on the increase-
but in defiance of the 6 month legacy rule it's taken almost 2 years
for the 512's to start nearing the 256 sales.

I tried to get a friend who was upgrading his sys to get a 512 vid card
and he insisted that a 256 would do. I tried everything
the newer games will ultimately require one
your gfx will run smoother
His reply:
When they're required to run HL3 or DOOM4 then he'll get one.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr that's why it's taking so long for 512's to muscle
out 256's from the market.

But more to the point, cubie you're being an a$$.
PC hawking in the console forums is so passe.
Consoles are specialized computers; in effect they're rail jobs built
for one thing with little room for deviation from that one thing.
PC's are in effect 4x4 SUV's that can do whatever you want them to do.

Keep your PC grandstanding in the PC forums.
Cripes you must be new at this, or you're studying your feet.
I expect the 'pc-rulz' blather from 9th and 10th graders.

I have a 52 inch Avion flat panel LCD HDTV and a 32 inch Samsung CRT HDTV
the video clarity is as good or better than any stinking plasma.
The Samsung weighs a ton, but it's brighter and blacker than any plasma-
it will outlast it too. It replaces a Wega that was nice, but not HD.
The Avion is as good as any plasma I've seen.

HALO is on the list as well as H2. MS bought that game for XBX.
Plus this is a fake argument anyway.
Back in 2000 during an interview regarding the future of MS and plans for the XBX
Bill Gate's stated that one of his desires was for the XBX to keep the
PC format 'THE" format for gaming. He stated then that Sony was pulling
a lot of developers into their corner through the dominance of the PS1
and the coming of the PS2 only looked to compound the situation.
His concern over Sony was due to Sony wanting to pull developers
off MS-PC's and onto linux machines.
Sony doesn't like the fact they have to pay MS money to sell Sony PC's
with MS on them. It's not like MS has to pay Sony anything.
The PS2 linux kit was meant to foster and further the idea of non-MSPC gaming.
So far the XBX has succeeded in stopping further linux game development.
Outside of WINE apps, there aren't many good linux based games.
R* broke it's exclusivity contract with Sony due to market pressures.
As did EA.
Various Konami titles.
Further, the division head of XBX at the time stated most XBX games
could port to PC quite easily. The only reason they wouldn't do it often
is that they wouldn't want to cannabilize XBX software sales for PC software sales.

The only thing keeping PS2 games off of the XBX is Sony contracts.
The only thing keeping certain XBX games off the PS2 is the fact that the PS2
can't run them.

@arkane,
the Nin bosses better do something monumental
because if they don't deliver
MS will succeed in buying them out.
So far; unless they are totally bluffing us with this goofy controller ,
WiFi only hook up, and probably no HD(who needs HD for mario?)
then it will be over before it even starts
VIRTUAL BOY TOO

[culubalo]

IMO the Revolution will be something to talk about. I have a feeling that there are a lot of top bosses in Nintendo worrying about their shares so much that this machine is going to be an amazing release, something to better both the 360 and PS3 on it's release.

I am interested about mario kart revolution, what with that awesome controller and all :D
lol ARCKANE, a man after my own heart. If you cant put Linux in it somehow then it aint worth a $&*#!!!
there is a saying in the cd/dvd burning scene: 'if nero doesnt burn it its not worth burning', I suppose what your saying is 'if you cant put linux on it its not worth keeping'.
I wonder if they'll ever put linux on the washing machine...

When they're required to run HL3 or DOOM4 then he'll get one.
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr that's why it's taking so long for 512's to muscle
out 256's from the market.

erm, 256 is essentially a bottleneck and will probably be for some time, the extra ram is only good for AA and AF operations as of now but 256 has proven itself ample and its no use to be used as AA on an xbox 360 for obvious reasons. I mean had intel kept ramming up their megaherts we would be running 4-5ghz machines but that would be worthless, instead were running more powerful chips that have the same clock rate as older chips but are far more powerful.

The linux kit was available off the usplaystation site for awhile.
I got one; wasn't impressed-my brother in law who's a linux nerd
was foaming at the mouth for me to give it to him, ehhh he seemed to get a kick out of it.
you have to be a tech nerd if you want to get anything out of it ;)

There aren't too many PC's with the X's innards.
I know they exist; the Dell XPS series has some monsters available
for those with the coin to afford it. Same with Alienware and others.
My point is that outside of your HCPC gamers; most people don't.
256 is the norm for GPU's; the 512's are on the increase-
but in defiance of the 6 month legacy rule it's taken almost 2 years
for the 512's to start nearing the 256 sales.
quite frankly theres no need for a mainstream pc to run with the 360's innards, tehre are still no games that can utilize the 360 to its fullest.

But more to the point, cubie you're being an a$$.
PC hawking in the console forums is so passe.
Consoles are specialized computers; in effect they're rail jobs built
for one thing with little room for deviation from that one thing.
PC's are in effect 4x4 SUV's that can do whatever you want them to do.
in response:
your argument is mute and pointlessly offtopic too.Perhaps I was trying to put the blame on you but it diverted this way when I mentioned I'd prefer to download videos and stuff from a proper internet connection.

I think the reason you pushed it furter was due to either your argumentative nature or it is some sort of battle in the eternally waged console vs pc world

The only thing keeping PS2 games off of the XBX is Sony contracts.
The only thing keeping certain XBX games off the PS2 is the fact that the PS2
can't run them.
no one said the ps2 was more powerful than the xbox. However any game an xbox can run a ps2 can run, its not a matter of raw hardware power, its a matter of how you can utilize it, and you get something like the gamecube which can pull a ripper that we are yet to see in the next gen zone. Having said that porting games will always result in change for the games graphics, its not that the xbox is more powerufl that most games are never ported to ps2 from it, it can be, you can cut off some minor features here and there, its no biggie, perhaps textures will be slightly lower resolution, but you wont be able to tell the difference between one and the other. Most franchise based games get ported to every console, take king kong for example, someone said it looks 'best on pc, then on xbox then on ps2 then on gamecube', thats all fine, it makes perfect sense, however the game is the same on all platforms, its not like king kong was so powerful only a highend pc could run it and it had to be fundamentaly changed so it could fit on the xbox and so on and so forth. Porting rarely has anything to do with horsepower of consoles, this is current gen, all consoles current gen can run current gen games if only slightly differently.

[culubalo]

sheesh too long for one post, its kind of hard getting all the quotes in to make sure what you are is making sense, but it really blows your post out of proportion...

the Nin bosses better do something monumental
because if they don't deliver
MS will succeed in buying them out.
So far; unless they are totally bluffing us with this goofy controller ,
WiFi only hook up, and probably no HD(who needs HD for mario?)
then it will be over before it even starts
VIRTUAL BOY TOO
let me tell you mate, as much as I cant wait for the revolution I cannot say for sure its going to be a success, however if it turns into maxis' line of 'the sims' games in the console world, I am going to laugh so hard my house will fall on itself, you are putting your foot down like this: "nintendo is going to suxorz and ms is going to buy it", most everyone is just waiting for it to be released before they discuss it thus saving themselves embarrasment. YOu are a live or die situation, I wonder if you will be able to pull yourself together if nintendo does hit it big, I wonder what justification you'll come up with too ;). But as usual I'll believe nintendo when I get a revolution to play with, and until then all I can say is that if its going to be a big success or a massive flop or something inbetween (most likely) I still cant wait.


As for the sony vs ms debate, I am on linux's side, it has far greater potential than ms, the mere fact its open source gives it that edge. It is multiplatform too which gives it a further edge.
Rather than looking at it: sony doesnt like paying ms so it wants to move all pc's to linux, look at it as ms is worried that linux will make its biggest money maker (operating systems) obsolete one day.

However sony is trying to ward people off windows imo, given the fact that sony I think has made plans to put apples next gen operating system on its ps3, it will be better for the less technically inclined, and will probably have a better chance for people like you to enjoy more (I dont blame you for not liking linux... just yet ;)) given that apples os is more flashy looking than linux.


<edit>HALO is on the list as well as H2. MS bought that game for XBX.
Plus this is a fake argument anyway.
Back in 2000 during an interview regarding the future of MS and plans for the XBX
Bill Gate's stated that one of his desires was for the XBX to keep the
PC format 'THE" format for gaming.
that makes perfect sense, the pc probably makes more money for him, what with a ridiculously overprices os and all...
Heres hoping vista doesnt cost as muhc as a 360 when it comes out.

[JN4OldSchool]

there is a saying in the cd/dvd burning scene: 'if nero doesnt burn it its not worth burning', I suppose what your saying is 'if you cant put linux on it its not worth keeping'.
I wonder if they'll ever put linux on the washing machine...

That statement was made in jest, but you are so busy trying to one up everyone else I guess you must not have realized it. Nero? Yeah right, I use K3B, but I guess you wouldnt know anything about it... And yes, they have put Linux on a washing machine, on a toaster, in your Tivo, and on about anything else you can think of. But Jag is right, unfortunatly Linux is not ideal for games. It's biggest weak spot. I even use MS for my games.

[smile1sm]

that makes perfect sense, the pc probably makes more money for him, what with a ridiculously overprices os and all...
Heres hoping vista doesnt cost as muhc as a 360 when it comes out.

How can you say that MS OS's are overpriced when it costs about the same to buy Tiger for Mac (£89 standalone). Windows XP only costs £99, (£62 if you buy Home Edition) thats a £10 difference if you go Pro. Not that it bothers me, I get MS software free anyways.

In my opinion, you seem to have a grudge against the whole of Microsoft for some reason. And its due to that, that your opinions on the XBOX are somewhat one-sided, and that you have to resort to comparing the next-gen consoles to PCs to try and prove your point.

[culubalo]

How can you say that MS OS's are overpriced when it costs about the same to buy Tiger for Mac (£89 standalone). Windows XP only costs £99, (£62 if you buy Home Edition) thats a £10 difference if you go Pro. Not that it bothers me, I get MS software free anyways.
I never said that apples os' were cheap... I am saying when the bloody vista comes out, not after a few years towards the end of its life point.

In my opinion, you seem to have a grudge against the whole of Microsoft for some reason. And its due to that, that your opinions on the XBOX are somewhat one-sided, and that you have to resort to comparing the next-gen consoles to PCs to try and prove your point.
I think you should READ what I wrote before. I wrote that I'd sooner have a pc to surf the net and download videos for games than do it with an xbox, jag took that as an offensive and started talking about how powerful the 360 is and how no one has a pc as powerful as the 360, I replied to that. He also mentioned that bill gates said in an interview that he wanted to keep the pc as the platform of gaming, I replied to that with what you quoted me with.

I hold no grudge against ms, or the xbox, I'm not one to take sides, had jag been a sony fanboy I would be explaining to him the same things he's telling me about ps2's.


That statement was made in jest, but you are so busy trying to one up everyone else I guess you must not have realized it. Nero? Yeah right, I use K3B, but I guess you wouldnt know anything about it... And yes, they have put Linux on a washing machine, on a toaster, in your Tivo, and on about anything else you can think of. But Jag is right, unfortunatly Linux is not ideal for games. It's biggest weak spot. I even use MS for my games.
lol, nah, I dont want to one up everyone, but I just have a lot of time on my hands currently so I just reply to as many random things as possible.
yeah its true though, linux as of writing this is an ass for games, perhaps it'll improve some time down the line... way down the line.

[JAGPANZER]

1st things 1st
You are wrong vis a vis the XBX games being able to run on a PS2:
they simply can't be done in a manner acceptable to anybody.
The anybody in this case example being Konami and Team Ninja.
Steel Batallion and Ninja Gaiden (among others) simply can't run
on a PS2 without you thinking you're really looking at an Atari 64.
Frame rates were unacceptable as were rendering times.

Your preference for media streaming to your PC instead of a console
is just that: preference, it is based on nothing more than your
perception of what is convenient to you.

my argument moot?
You're the a$$pipe dragging up PC's into a console forum
no matter how you want to paint it.
The topic is rev/ps3 ideas-
of which you have little to say about that considering my
first post was exclusively about the topic.
Until somebody piped up something completely different.

My A51? the only reason I got a PC in the first place was that
OSX is a new OS and I'd rather wait till OSXI or XII before I get a Powerbook.
Though I came real close to getting a Power 17".
I got my daughter a Dell because that's what she wanted(the pink VAIO is out of the question....for now).

The only person who can school me on PS2's doesn't speak english to good.
I've spent over $1000 in PS2 hardware I know what the hell I ended up
paying for. Am I going to believe you or my lying eyes?

Vista is a modular OS. It will be as cheap as you're willing to go without numerous apps.
good/bad we'll see, has to be better than the ancient 95/98/00/me/xp kernal

The real reason we are stuck just shy of 6 GHz in the CPU speed
is based solely on our material limitations-the silicon melts: it's all but
impossible to cool it without going to exotic coolant subsystems.
The synthetic diamond chipsets are about 6-9 months away from being ready to test.
However the new hurdle is the wiring on the Dboards can't sustain the heat.
They're leaning towards metallic ceramics as the wiring materal.
That is looking over two years away before commercial applications can be developed.
I can't remember if it was NEC or Toshiba but one of these was looking
to capture the heat generated by the CPU and convert it back into electricity
via transthermal converters to use to power other accessories.

As for Nintendo,
they let everyone down here in the US and abroad outside of the pac rim.
The Rev looks to be even more poorly conceived than the Cube was.
What are these guys thinking?
It looks like they are retreating to Japan and the pac rim.
If you like their fare; you're welcome too.
But don't expect them to do too much in the way of changing their line up.
They got by on playing cards and pachinko before; so they don't care.
The only successful Revolution will be by the shareholders.

Don't get me wrong, I had high hopes for the NGC.
I got the first one out of my gaming shop.
With the GB adapter module
Network access module
two wavebirds
It was a good console: but very little came out for it that justified it's existence
MGS: Twin Snakes was cool but campy in a way
None of the R6 or GR series were the same without online play.
The Resident Evils were cool, if plodding, at times.
NO LIGHTGUNS??? duckhunt?.............afflac

Nintendo is pulling a Sega.
Producing another console with high expectations,
right behind a similar console that recieved not much more attention
than the Sega 32X expander.
Nintendo becoming a software maker?
Stranger things could happen than Nintendo and Sega letting
Sony and Microsoft duke it out over licensing rights.
:drunk:

[JN4OldSchool]

NO LIGHTGUNS??? duckhunt?.............afflac?

ROFFLMFAO where do you come up with this stuff? AFFLAC, lol, good one! Can picture you with the old plastic duck hunt gun on your NES, lol, I loved that game...

[ZippyDSMlee]

wow what a thread *L* I'll read thru it more later but JAGPANZER its only a Xclusive if its only on the Xbox put at elast half the games you mentioned are Xbox only but could eaily be put over to PC...to bad Halo 2 will never go PC....oh well this is the time for consoles to keep stuff from the computers I have mixed feeligns about it.
I agree the REV looks to be not very well thought out and the GC was not fully brought to bear...BTW computers are part of gameing not so much now adays but they are non the less,I might not care abotu the 360 right now but the Xbox seems to be a desent system now days.

Uhg I need to read read this thread and think on my next post I am out of it right now 0-o *L*

[STi FlyBy]

Uhg I need to read read this thread and think on my next post I am out of it right now 0-o *L*

Drinking too much has a tendency to do that to someone haha ... I would highly suggest against getting a 360 yet, because they're still trying to work out the kinks to the system. They pushed to get it out at Christmas time because they didn't have any competition, and it bit them in the ass.

[ZippyDSMlee]

IDipSkoalMint
its not so much drunk its more I just got up 0-o *L*
I am not a Xbox fan so I see the 360 lacking in games and the system has a a desent chance of being messed up when you get it so I am staying far far away and watch how thigns go,if/when they make it fully backwards comabiltable I will get it without a 2nd thought but untill then its going to need more games.

As far as the PS2 X Xbox
The PS2 has the games the Xbox power and more multiplayer fuetures if the 360 didnt come out it could ahve beaten the PS2 in time or at least once the jap devs started makeing games for it *L*.

I still think if done right the PS2 can look as good as the Xbox but thier is lil to no intest in makeing them perform/look better as there is lil instrest to port a game from the Xbox to the PS2.

I see game exclusive's beign commen palce in the years ahead whitch annoys me sicne the PC will be playing a smaller and smaller role in gameing but I guess it will save on me buying comp parts *L*

AS I ahve said befor the PS3 looks ok right now,the Rev looks like it good kill nintendo and the 360 is in a bit of a mess right now.....

The only way I will touch windose Vista is if it is more comapblte than XP....

[Tone]

I bet the PS 3 will not be as good as everyone thinks its gonna be ;) trust me... inside knowledge and all that... plus it looks like a bread bin :p

[ZippyDSMlee]

well it cant be wores than the 360 at launch (altho I wouldnt dout it haveing some frist version issues like some consoles have *coughcough360coughcough*),now I will admit it may have a rough time if the jap devs jump over to the 360 but on a whole it "seems" to have a better chance going than the REV dose.

I just now noticed about the Xbox was being an ass and "claiming" games for itself its ekked out more of a nitch in the market....but even so its one of the main 3 consoles thus worth getting hell I had a turbo duo back in the day and it had some great games on it!


JAGPANZER
Do you know if you get any Xbox live time (like a reg 1 month trail or something) for buying a new 360/Xbox?

[STi FlyBy]

Do you know if you get any Xbox live time (like a reg 1 month trail or something) for buying a new 360/Xbox?

3 month trial came with my 360 when I got it opening day (yes, I'm one of the idiots who got it first shipment, and has experienced numerous problems).

[ZippyDSMlee]

IDipSkoalMint's
Its cool you got a free trail it sucks you got a bad system hope they fix it soon!!

[k3rizz3k]

Sony was totally lacking in support for the US market.
For the longest we had no hard drives, no browser, no network,
no colored consoles-nothing.
It's been different with the PSP; maybe Sony has seen the err of their ways.

A little late, but dont forget the lack of support for the laser problems in the slimlines... They have just let it run and 3rd party's have had to develop quickfixes which dont always work.

[ecardica]

Revolution seems like a total gimmick and Sony is plagued with product quality issues. I think the Xbox 360 has a great chance of winning this round of the console wars. Although if I had to choose between Revolution and PS3 it'd have to be the Revolution just because the Zelda game for that is going to be awesome.

[JAGPANZER]

The PS2 graphics can get as good as an XBX?
Are you on dope?
Maybe if your only point of judgement is based on a trial done on a regular TV.
HDTV and 5.1 DDSS equipped gamers saw a completely different picture/sound experience
when it came to XBX vs PS2 games.

That's why Steel Batallion and Ninja Gaiden are fine examples of
gaming graphics prowess that the PS2 was/is incapable of.

I believe the 360 came with a std level LIVE access; which is mainly look and see.
I've been XBXLV since it's beta phase; my XBXLV account was simply
converted to the premium level LIVE access.

At least the 360 had titles like PGR3 and COD2 for it's launch line up.
The PS2 had what, Fantavision? Or some junk like that; Red Faction
was 6mos after the PS2 debut.

Vista? It sounds compelling; for an OS.
If it performs as desired, you would be a fool not to switch to Vista.
Though MS is developing some OS for use with multiple(4x+) core CPU's
which is due out in a few years(I would imagine when multicored pc's are hitting the shelves).

Yes, the Turbo-Duo was cool.
For the life of me I can't remember what happened to mine.