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asdfghjkl
07-23-2004, 10:02 AM
First I have to say, that I am from Austria (Europe) and so my English maybe isnt perfect.



All program output is translated from German.



Because I had an increase of system crashes in the last few weeks, I decided to first make a scan and safe w/ scanreg in dos-mode and after this use scanreg /fix to fix the registry.


When I checked the registry w/ scanreg, it found no errors. So I satrted scanreg /fix. The check of the registry also worked w/o problem, but when the program tried to restore the registry, it crashed alread at the first file (system.dat). the first point (searching for valid registry keys) worked, but at the second point (checking structure of the registry) it always crashed, when it is at 0%. One of these things happened:

1. the pc just did a reboot

2. strange chars and colored rectangles appeared on the screen (see pic, the dark blue chars should be black) and the system didnt react anymore, only the reset button helped.

3. The same kind of chars appeared, but only very short, than the system rebooted.

4. strange colored chars appeared (see video), and after this the system rebooted

5. the picture just froze at 0%. again only the reset button helped.


The registry wasnt damaged by this, windows is running as good (or as bad) as before.


I only want to know, if this could be a sign for a damaged registry.


Thanks in advance.



Here is the pic of the strange chars (2.,3.; dark blue chars should be black):

http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/Scanreg_klein.jpg

uncompressed version, original size (1.22MB) (http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/Scanreg_unkomprimiert.jpg)


Video (4.):

avi, 5.12MB (http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/scanreg_bunt.AVI)

I also have a few other videos, where you maybe dont see the colored chars of 4., or you dont see the reboot, but you can see other things better. So if someone has a problem w/ the quality of the video, just post where you have this problem and I will upload this video to my webspace an post a link. The other videos are between 2.25MB and 2.65MB big (yes, I uploaded the biggest one, but it is also the longest one w/ 20 sec.).



@everyone, who says I should upgrade to WinXP: I already have WinXP in dual boot. I cannot get rid of Win98 completely, because I need to use some programs, which run in Win98, but not in WinXP.



I also have tried a few things, that some people in other forums suggested:


I renamed all c:\windows\sysbckup\rb*.cab files in rb*.old. The only difference was, that I got a new version of the crash, but I think that this new version occured the first time when I disabled autoexec.bat and config.sys.

First the screen output looked normal, but than it became this:


http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/Scanreg1_klein.jpg

uncompressed version, original size (792kB) (http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/Scanreg1_unkomprimiert.jpg)

After this again only the reset button helped.


Also scandisk in DOS + Windows (including surface tests) didnt help. It only found one error. This error was, that the free memory of the partittion is wrong. In Win9x you get this error nearly every time you run scandisk. When I started scanreg /fix after this the same happened as after I renamed the .cab files (I renamed them back in .cab before I ran scandisk).


I also tried to start DOS w/o autoexec.bat and config.sys. However it didnt work w/o confg.sys, because scanreg needs himem.sys. So I only renamed autoexec.bat and in config.sys I wrote a rem at the beginning of each line except the himem.sys line.

The only difference this time was, that it didnt alwqays crash at 0%. On the 3 tries I made, it crashed one time at 3%, one time at 1% and one time at 0%.


Something else, I forgot to mention: When I go to DOS from windows, the floppy-LED is alway until I return to windows or reboot. But the floppy drive only makes a short sound when I exit windows, after this you dont hear it anymore. So it semms, like the LED is on all the time even when the drive isnt active.

When I strat dos by pressing f8 at boot and selecting command prompt only, the floppy-LED works normal.


When I had renamed my .cab files in .old I also ran scanreg /backup and scanreg /restore, bit both worked normal.


I also made a few virus checks:

Before you read my logfiles, you should know, that on my system Win98 is on C: and WinXP is on D: (dual boot).

about one week ago I found a few viruses w/ avg 6.0 free edition. logfile (http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/avg.log.txt).

A few days ago I made a few scans again. I always tested all 3 partitions (also in the test I made one week ago).

First I ran the DOS-Version of Norton Anti Virus 2004 in DOS-mode, but I used a very old virus database form 11/2003 (because this was when my trial licence expired). NAV didnt find any viruses.

After this I made a scan w/the freeware program AntiVir in WinXP. The program only found viruses in backup files and in a uninstall program, but i think the virus in the uninstall program was a wrong alert, because the program is from a reliable vendor and also I had a wrong alert w/ this program once in the past (at this time the reason for the wrong alert was a defective ram). logfile (http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/AVWIN.LOG.txt)

asdfghjkl
07-23-2004, 10:03 AM
Here is the rest of (ot was too long for one post):



After this I made a scan w/ avg in Win98 (the setup program for avg doesnt work in XP). This time the program didnt find anything.



if anyone says, that I should reinstall Windows: this is too much work, because I would have to reinstall all the programs too. I will not reinstell Windows as long as everything I need is working.

asdfghjkl
07-24-2004, 08:33 PM
I restored scanreg.exe, command.com and io.sys (scanreg.exe and command.com from the win98-cd and io.sys form the win98 boot floppy, because i couldnt find io.sys on the win98-cd, not even in the .cab-files).

I also tried scanreg /opt. It didnt change the behavior of scanreg /fix, but it reduced the size of the SYSTEM.DAT from 9.16MB to 9.08MB.

I also tried RegClean from microsoft and the program RegSupreme Pro, but this also didnt help.

asdfghjkl
07-29-2004, 09:37 PM
I now ran the diagnostic tool from my harddisk-manufacturer (Data Lifeguard Diagnostic from Western Digital), but it also didnt find any errors.


After this I ran memtest86. First I hd my FSB oced, but after about 10 min. it reportet an error in the first pass at test 4.

So I clocked my FSB back to 166MHz, whihc is the default for my CPU (my RAM is PC3200, so it can do 200MHz). I also raised the timings to optimal.

After this the default test ran nearly 4 hours (over 8 times), but it idint find an error.

After this I ran scanreg /fix again, but it still crashed.

Very strange, in the old times my RAM made 12 hours memtest86 and 12hours GoldMemory w/o problems and I ran my RAM always only at 179MHz, only the timings were a little bit lower (2-2-2-7, optimnal=3-3-3-8, turbo=3-2-2-7).

I also tried but the same test w/ 2.5-2-3-7, but there was also the same error. even at the same address.

w/ optimal timings the test ran for 6 hours w/o a problem.

So I decided to make a test w/ the fastest setting (according to benchmark) that was left, which as 13.5x175@2.5-2-2-6. I made the full test for 10 hours, which is more than one complete pass and it didnt find an error. I also had teh quick test of GoldMemory running for 1 1/1 hours, which is 1 1/2 passes. GM also didnt find an error. I will make the complete test of GoldMemory and also tests w/ other programs to find out, if my system is really 100% stable at this settings.


I also tried the following vbs-scrip to check the .cab-files for errors:

http://members.chello.at/edith.matuskovics/checkcab.vbs.txt

The program found errors in all of my 21 .cab files (rb000.cab-rb019.cab, rbbad.cab) except rb001.cab.

After this I renamed all .cab files in .old, so that a new rb000.cab was created at reboot. after the reboot, there was a new rb000.cab and a new rbbad.cab. the scrip only found errors in rbbad.cab. after this I ran scanreg /fix again, but it crashed again.

SI110
07-30-2004, 12:00 AM
If I was having your problem I'd do a reinstall.I'm no pro though!!!
Maybe you could clear cmos to reset settings to default and try running tests than.

asdfghjkl
07-30-2004, 12:32 AM
I am sure, that it has not to do w/ the cmos settings, because i always used this cmos settings and i never had problems w/ them before.

I also dont reinstall. i dont really have a problem. my system runs as good or bad as always, only scanreg crashes.

milan
07-30-2004, 02:26 AM
Sounds very like a installation mess.
Very crucial basic system files seem to be corrupted - maybe even the MBR
(master boot record).

Its too messy what you do and did - Completely format you harddrive
(even destroy old partitions) - and start from scratch again.
Do all installations OFFLINE, go online again after the install of your antivirus programs.

Dont try to mess around with the heart of the system!!...

All your colorful screenshots and (hollywood-)movies about how and when your
system did not work, have an entirely decorative meaning - and do not say anything
else than to go back to step 0.

acal3000
07-30-2004, 02:56 AM
Your system should be very messed maybe you need a thing like norton system works or fix it utilities to restore it but the most probaly thing you sould do is the thing that millan said re-format and reinstall

asdfghjkl
07-30-2004, 03:07 AM
I already tried Norton WinDoctor, which is a part of Norton Utilities. But it didnt help.

DABhand
07-30-2004, 04:26 PM
Now im more convinced there is a virii.

Or in your case it maybe the motherboard is about to give up the ghost.

SI110
07-30-2004, 09:31 PM
I already tried Norton WinDoctor, which is a part of Norton Utilities. But it didnt help.
Thats your problem right there I think.Norton utilities can cause probs on some systems.Was it installed when gremlins started?
Your system may be running fine to you but with this problem in deep I would
REINSTALL!!!! 1 hour later no more problem!!!!!

asdfghjkl
08-01-2004, 12:37 AM
Was it installed when gremlins started?


I dont know, I dont use scanreg /fix so often.



@DABhand: right now my sheduled avg virus scan ran and scanned all program files, but it didnt find a virus.

DABhand
08-01-2004, 01:08 AM
That may be true, but how upto date is the definitions it is using?

asdfghjkl
08-01-2004, 01:20 AM
That may be true, but how upto date is the definitions it is using?

Virus Data Base: 480
Release Date: 07/19/04

Holymoses
08-01-2004, 01:21 AM
IT can be a couple things that cause that. Memory failure, mbd failure, virii, video card corruption as well.. errors like that are some what difficult to lock down sometimes as I've seen that error type before and it was a faulty video card that did it. the Vid buffer/memory was faulty and it took a few min to lock that down when I was fixing it. MBD/RAM/CPU can also cause that as a bad data path or memory segment or even MBD can cause data to be corrupted during the transfer from component to component. I would suggest look for a Burnin proggie that has component testing and run the one at a time to see what ones work and or don't work and if you can put in old parts that may work like video card to start and ram if you're able.

HM.

asdfghjkl
08-01-2004, 02:02 AM
I made an update of avg, so now i have the newest virus database. after the update i made the scan again, but it still didnt find anything. i used this database:

Virus Database: 486
Release Date: 07/29/04

milan
08-01-2004, 02:56 AM
honestly, i dont want to be harsh or anything, but following now this conversation
and the reactions of the people - i seriously think - you have a hardware
problem there. It usually does not make any sense at all - to discuss at great length the interactions between any software packages or releases on the top of a defect hardware - you waste your time the people's time.
I would suggest, you go for a big box, put your pc in it, and write on the box: "rubbish"
and go to buy a new pc.
I am quite new here in this forum, and if i look at the problems of other people, they
are classical problems, which are communicated by the people in an understandable way, you seem to diverge from this.
What you describe are bits and pieces, which do not allow to anyone to give
you a useful answer..its all vague guesswork. Summarising your reactions, it sounds
like "it does not work - but i am using the best possible software", and whoever
gives you any answer or hint - you knew or did it already, but if you know all this, why do you bother??..why do you need to discuss the obvious??
This was my last reply regarding this "topic".

Holymoses
08-01-2004, 03:29 AM
honestly, i dont want to be harsh or anything, but following now this conversation
and the reactions of the people - i seriously think - you have a hardware
problem there. It usually does not make any sense at all - to discuss at great length the interactions between any software packages or releases on the top of a defect hardware - you waste your time the people's time.
I would suggest, you go for a big box, put your pc in it, and write on the box: "rubbish"
and go to buy a new pc.
I am quite new here in this forum, and if i look at the problems of other people, they
are classical problems, which are communicated by the people in an understandable way, you seem to diverge from this.
What you describe are bits and pieces, which do not allow to anyone to give
you a useful answer..its all vague guesswork. Summarising your reactions, it sounds
like "it does not work - but i am using the best possible software", and whoever
gives you any answer or hint - you knew or did it already, but if you know all this, why do you bother??..why do you need to discuss the obvious??
This was my last reply regarding this "topic".

Last reply from you Thank God.. Its a forum for HELP.. not a you're an idiot to ask the question spot. I have dealt with this issue before and yes it is somewhat vague but, what can you do? If you don't own multiple PC's to attempt hardware swapping then you have to do a systematic examination of all parts related to the issue. To say you already know or don't know isn't very fair as not everyone is a computer guru and understands what can cause this or what cannot. I've seen Virii cause this as well as hardware failure its not an open and shut case. If you run a V scanner and its clean then its more the likely a Hardware failure true but what hardware is faulty? how do you just say That's it with any certainity without some form of testing or evaluation on the issue. Please if you have no constructive comments to the problem refrain from idioticy please. My favorite quote. People who think they know every thing are really annoying to those of us who do.
Think before you speak.. you may not have to remove your foot as often.

HM

asdfghjkl
08-02-2004, 09:02 AM
i now used scanreg /backup to make a registry backup and restored the oldest registry afterwards w/ scanreg /restore. after this scanreg /fix worked, but when i restored the current registry again, it crashed again of course.