The Definition of WAREZ

[Inquisitor]

As some of you ppl know we have a lot of members who are unsure of this and have seen members posting threads containing these words, so here is a clear explanation of WAREZ


WAREZ:

Warez (pronounced as though spelled "wares" or possibly by some pronounced like the city of "Juarez") is a term used by software "pirates" to describe software that has been stripped of its copy-protection and made available on the Internet for downloading. People who create warez sites sometimes call them "warez sitez" and use "z" in other pluralizations.

[JamezStewart]

use "z" in other pluralizations.
Not true!


Jamez


lol ;)

[Dr.MAD]

Good idea, BRICK! Now people won't be able to say "sorry, but I didn't know what warez was" any more ;)

@Jamez: I know that many pirates say crackz, warez, gamez, downloadz etc

[Gee Gee]

@Jamez: I know that many pirates say crackz, warez, gamez, downloadz etc

I think Jamez was joking Spy ;)
Jamez the most notorious pirate on the high seas :graysmile

[mkn]

excellent idea..

[Revelation]

Not to get too technical here, but it doesn't always mean it's been 'stripped' of it's copy protection. Alot of warez comes with the 'crack' for the game/software already included in the zip file/on the CD. It just aids in bypassing the copy protection. In my opinion, a ghetto-way of doing things.

[JamezStewart]

I think Jamez was joking Spy ;)
Jamez the most notorious pirate on the high seas :graysmile

arr! arr! Shiver me timbers! ye have it right me swashbuckling lass! arr! arr!

[hexdemon]

we also ... i mean they also say pr0n instead of porn ;)

[Eagle1]

le warez c'est l' échange et l' entraide ^^

i'm the only french here ?

[Dr.MAD]

No you're not. And do me a favor... speak English so that everyone can understand. Merci bien.

[cahaz]

ben la c pas de sa faute si le monde ne comprend pas c leur faute caline de bine ;)

en passant le warez c pas fin du tout pis c plus fun avoir la boite :P

lol



vous etes quebecois ?




arigato you meme

[Eagle1]

i try to speak english always now ^^

the warez is the exchange and the mutual aid

[Dr.MAD]

ben la c pas de sa faute si le monde ne comprend pas c leur faute caline de bine ;)


:nono: the language of this forum is ENGLISH! So you speak English, or I don't think you'll get much help, since I don't wanna translate everything you say.

[osakka4]

hi everybody,
Warez is illegal and should be banned on the internet :)

[NorthViking]

hi everybody,
could anybody tell me where i could get "warez" without ending looking at "prOn" sites?'
NO sorry, no warez allowed here !!

[SephirothXXX]

'
NO sorry, no warez allowed here !!



NOW NOW WAREZ ISN'T NO MORE. I DUNNO IF U PEOPLE CALL PIRATISM WAREZ BUT PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT WORD CAUSE MOST OF PEOPLE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH A THING CALLED WAREZ. EVEN ME!!
PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM" "PIRATISM" OK!!!
nowadays there is programs what spreads piratism: emule, kazaa, kazaa lite++
, dc++(crappy), winMX(crappiest), overnet, edonkey. Say any of u ever heard of these programs, no one these USES "WAREZ" warez is in the dump, a long time has been. Ok i hope that this hammered some info in ur head.

[Ryot]

many pirates say crackz, warez, gamez, downloadz etc

Only the homosexual "pirates". Better known as "ass-pirates" to the rest of the population.

I thought I might add a little bit, just to pass the time.

Warez is basically any game that is sold that you can download for free via a website, IRC, P2P service, et all. Excluding demos, obviously.

You might hear the term "0day" or a variation of that used in conjunction with "Warez", "Iso", etc.

0day refers to a game being available for free download somewhere the day that it hits the shelves, or sooner (?). Again; you're an idiot if you're now uninstalling an Unreal Tournament demo because you don't want to get arrested. Actually; you're an idiot for even wanting Unreal Tournament. What were you thinking?

Cracks are not illegal when used correctly. I'll give you two examples:

1. Mary Jane Rottencrotch buys Fallout 2 at her local CompUSA. She installs it and the cd is broken, or lost, or maybe her snot-nosed little brother swipes it. She finds a crack that allows her to play without the cd. This is perfectly acceptable. She paid for the game.

2. Jimmy is a moron. Jimmy downloads Warcraft 3 off of Kazaa and begins his search for a NoCd crack. Jimmy doesn't realise that Kazaa is the great white devil, and is then introduced to the glory that is a trojan virus. Jimmy dies. Sad and alone.

You can see the differences between the two. Cracking is also "A-okay" when you're making a backup of a cd that you bought; simply so that situation A doesn't happen to you. That's great. That's kosher. No one cares.

Being that this isn't your kid sister's Geocities site; it can be assumed that you shouldn't say anything that could get the owners in hot water.

I think that this is common sense. You don't walk into Radio Shack and start telling the customers that you can use the tools to pirate cable TV. You're a pirate? Great. Grand. Talk about it in "1337" to your 47 year-old male girlfriend over an AIM session.

There. I think that went nicely. I'm gonna go play Minesweeper, now.

[Gee Gee]

Very nicely explained Ryot and welcome to MGF :)

[Ryot]

Very nicely explained Ryot and welcome to MGF :)

Much obliged. I just felt the need to share my tiny pearls of wisdom that aren't so much pearls as they are long, barely coherent paragraphs.

Yeah. That's what I do.

[SephirothXXX]

NOW NOW WAREZ ISN'T NO MORE. I DUNNO IF U PEOPLE CALL PIRATISM WAREZ BUT PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT WORD CAUSE MOST OF PEOPLE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH A THING CALLED WAREZ. EVEN ME!!
PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM" "PIRATISM" OK!!!
nowadays there is programs what spreads piratism: emule, kazaa, kazaa lite++
, dc++(crappy), winMX(crappiest), overnet, edonkey. Say any of u ever heard of these programs, no one these USES "WAREZ" warez is in the dump, a long time has been. Ok i hope that this hammered some info in ur head.



Kazaa is for mp3s only, emule/edonkey is for games softwar. movies etc.
and i can quarantee that where i download stuff doesn't have any viruses. Piratism is for very lazy people who don't have the strenght to
crawl i the store to buy 1 game. But nah! we are all very lazy people.
In this post i don't defense piratism, i just tell u some true info what u don't know i quess. So, i have just one request PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM"
WHAT IT SHOULD BE CALLED: ONLY "PIRATISM" JUST ONE REQUEST. No one uses warez anymore. And that really annoys me that u call "piratism"
warez ewwww!!. For some people i suggest that u don't even care about this but mods admins call piratism piratism!!!

[NorthViking]

NOW NOW WAREZ ISN'T NO MORE. I DUNNO IF U PEOPLE CALL PIRATISM WAREZ BUT PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT WORD CAUSE MOST OF PEOPLE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH A THING CALLED WAREZ. EVEN ME!!
PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM" "PIRATISM" OK!!!
nowadays there is programs what spreads piratism: emule, kazaa, kazaa lite++
, dc++(crappy), winMX(crappiest), overnet, edonkey. Say any of u ever heard of these programs, no one these USES "WAREZ" warez is in the dump, a long time has been. Ok i hope that this hammered some info in ur head.And what is wrong with the word "warez", it's used on millions of sites !
You say DC++ is crappy ? How come I get max speed at swedish hubs ?
What is so crappy about that program ?

[SephirothXXX]

And what is wrong with the word "warez", it's used on millions of sites !
You say DC++ is crappy ? How come I get max speed at swedish hubs ?
What is so crappy about that program ?Three reasons why DC++ is so crappy:
1.full of viruses
2.FULL of fakes
3.FULL OF ****
I don't like "the name" warez because if u ask 100 people that who uses
warez and who uses some other program 90 out of 100 says nowadays
"i use some other sites/programs" so don't call warez piratism.

use emule for games movies soft. or use the site http://www.sharereactor.com to get the right versions and the original versions all files are in bin and cue so u need alcohol 120% to mount them to the virtual drive what alcohol makes.

[NorthViking]

Well no fake at the hub I am.

It all depends where you go !

[spankovit]

1. Mary Jane Rottencrotch [/b]


Your days of fingering old mary jane rottencrotch are OVER :D

edit: Tis lovely to see that old Stanley has some influence in a sanitised world..

[Ryot]

Three reasons why DC++ is so crappy:
1.full of viruses
2.FULL of fakes
3.FULL OF S**T
I don't like "the name" warez because if u ask 100 people that who uses
warez and who uses some other program 90 out of 100 says nowadays
"i use some other sites/programs" so don't call warez piratism.

use emule for games movies soft. or use the site www.sharereactor.com to get the right versions and the original versions all files are in bin and cue so u need alcohol 120% to mount them to the virtual drive what alcohol makes.

"Piratism" is hardly an accurate term either, my friend. I've actually found DC++ more useful, all around. Nothing's easier than using DC++ or a torrent site to find movies and TV shows. So unless you're the captain of the USS illiteracy, and you can picture yourself swashbuckling your way to a free game...piratism is just another romance term for downloading free ++++.

[Ad0o]

warez is the best term to use. it is the correct term. besides that piratism which i have never heard before jst doesnt sound right.

p2p netwrks, hmmmm. kazaa is the most virus infested. dc++ is the best p2p program. it is great cus u jst browse around peoples stuff and unless u are a complete retard spotting fake files isnt that hard. for instance if u are luking for a game which is one dsk it will probably be around 500-700mb unless it is a RIP but that is completely diferent. neway, if u find a file that has the name of what u are lukin for and is in the right size range it is probably the real thing. how many people wud waste 700mb jst so someone will dwnload their virus that is only a few kb. the best way or the way i get stuff is jst join a friendly forum and make friends then trade stuff between urselfs. also torrenst are my main way of aquiring software.

if u see a file that claims to be from a release group such as myth, class, technic or for is's maybe deviance or rawkins u shud check out nforce.com (the url is somethin like that), on their site they index nearly every nfo file from all the main release groups. nfo files will help alot in deciding what is good to dwnload and what is bad.

[Ad0o]

NOW NOW WAREZ ISN'T NO MORE. I DUNNO IF U PEOPLE CALL PIRATISM WAREZ BUT PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT WORD CAUSE MOST OF PEOPLE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH A THING CALLED WAREZ. EVEN ME!!
PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM" "PIRATISM" OK!!!
nowadays there is programs what spreads piratism: emule, kazaa, kazaa lite++
, dc++(crappy), winMX(crappiest), overnet, edonkey. Say any of u ever heard of these programs, no one these USES "WAREZ" warez is in the dump, a long time has been. Ok i hope that this hammered some info in ur head.

it is obvious u dnt know what u are talking about when u are SHOUTING for half of ur post and most of the sentences dont even make sense. when u say u dnt touch warez but u do touch "piratism" what the hell does that mean. i thought u were saying they are the same thing. also when u say noone uses the word warez nemore it seems u are wrong when u are the only person here hu doesnt use that term.

[Dennehy]

No, hard discussions, warez are very illegal and should be banned everywhere. And the idea of "BRICK" was very good.

[Dr.MAD]

NOW NOW WAREZ ISN'T NO MORE. I DUNNO IF U PEOPLE CALL PIRATISM WAREZ BUT PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT WORD CAUSE MOST OF PEOPLE DOESN'T EVEN TOUCH A THING CALLED WAREZ. EVEN ME!!
PLEASE CALL "PIRATISM" "PIRATISM" OK!!!
nowadays there is programs what spreads piratism: emule, kazaa, kazaa lite++
, dc++(crappy), winMX(crappiest), overnet, edonkey. Say any of u ever heard of these programs, no one these USES "WAREZ" warez is in the dump, a long time has been. Ok i hope that this hammered some info in ur head.

1) Your post makes 0% sense
2) It's PiraCY, not PiraTISM

[Bulzy]

Hmmm, I need to really think about my replies & not post SPAM any more as it will get me banned.

[Dennehy]

lol, good

[acal3000]

This for warez but I have a dude are the abandonware sites illegal too?, are there differences between laws in countries?

[wee96]

1) Your post makes 0% sense
2) It's PiraCY, not PiraTISM

OMG AAHAHAHA!!!

Thank you spy, I needed that. No one calls warez "piratism" unless your a complete and utter newb. For the ones that call it "juarez", please stop now, warez came from the word software (wares, softwares, warez, get it?) and saying juarez isnt proper.

[Demonizer]

Actually, whether abandonware is legal or not depends on the site in question. The Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.org) is perfectly legal - it always removes downloads when requested and provides links to online stores whenever possible. They see themselves as a virtual museum, and that's really what they are.

The bigger abandonware sites are 100% legal. If they weren't, they would've been shut down long ago. Of course, there are some little sites with less-than-stringent rules...

[PIRATA]

Roger on that mate!!!

[DABhand]

Only the homosexual "pirates". Better known as "ass-pirates" to the rest of the population.

I thought I might add a little bit, just to pass the time.

Warez is basically any game that is sold that you can download for free via a website, IRC, P2P service, et all. Excluding demos, obviously.

You might hear the term "0day" or a variation of that used in conjunction with "Warez", "Iso", etc.

0day refers to a game being available for free download somewhere the day that it hits the shelves, or sooner (?). Again; you're an idiot if you're now uninstalling an Unreal Tournament demo because you don't want to get arrested. Actually; you're an idiot for even wanting Unreal Tournament. What were you thinking?

Cracks are not illegal when used correctly. I'll give you two examples:

1. Mary Jane Rottencrotch buys Fallout 2 at her local CompUSA. She installs it and the cd is broken, or lost, or maybe her snot-nosed little brother swipes it. She finds a crack that allows her to play without the cd. This is perfectly acceptable. She paid for the game.

2. Jimmy is a moron. Jimmy downloads Warcraft 3 off of Kazaa and begins his search for a NoCd crack. Jimmy doesn't realise that Kazaa is the great white devil, and is then introduced to the glory that is a trojan virus. Jimmy dies. Sad and alone.

You can see the differences between the two. Cracking is also "A-okay" when you're making a backup of a cd that you bought; simply so that situation A doesn't happen to you. That's great. That's kosher. No one cares.

Being that this isn't your kid sister's Geocities site; it can be assumed that you shouldn't say anything that could get the owners in hot water.

I think that this is common sense. You don't walk into Radio Shack and start telling the customers that you can use the tools to pirate cable TV. You're a pirate? Great. Grand. Talk about it in "1337" to your 47 year-old male girlfriend over an AIM session.

There. I think that went nicely. I'm gonna go play Minesweeper, now.

My 2-cents time.

1. Pirates are people who sell warez for cash, they are not crackers or anyone important, just people who have the balls to stand in a market in the pissing rain wanting your cash :P or even more balls for promoting it on the net lol

2. Warez is pronounced - Wares from the Ye Olde English "Show me your wares shopkeep" it isnt Juarez :P

3. 0-Day is only used in conjunction with Rips, 0-day is used when a rip of both either App or Game is ripped on the same day as ISO is released. So you cant have 0-Day ISO's, very very misunderstood thing that. 0-sec ISO's thats different :P

4. Just trust me on this one :P

[Harikari-Kila]

SephirothXXX = PWND

it seems, while i have nothing really to say, i agree with everyone... apart from SephirothXXX, sorry seph, nothing personal

[DABhand]

Three reasons why DC++ is so crappy:
1.full of viruses
2.FULL of fakes
3.FULL OF ****
I don't like "the name" warez because if u ask 100 people that who uses
warez and who uses some other program 90 out of 100 says nowadays
"i use some other sites/programs" so don't call warez piratism.

use emule for games movies soft. or use the site http://www.sharereactor.com to get the right versions and the original versions all files are in bin and cue so u need alcohol 120% to mount them to the virtual drive what alcohol makes.


Yeah your right harikari.

This guy has no clue about the scene at all lol

Share-reactor indeed. LOL

Maybe someone should point out to him, even sharereactor stuff can have virii :P

Plus he doesnt understand what piratism is either lol

[RussianKid]

Interesting how some moderators know what is warez and close threads for no reason. The thing is i dont like when some goverment agencies use the term " Downloading things is the same as shop lifting" no its not the same. It will sound a little stupid but listen anyway. Games, Software,etc. is not some thing phisical object that you can touch, smell,etc. There was a huge thread on PC Gamer Web site and an article about piracy and warez. For some warez is their only hope to survive and get money. Software or a file can be deleted replaced, it only can be sen and heared nothing more.

[Dr.MAD]

The reason why we don't allow Warez is simply because we don't want to get the forums in legal trouble.
That's all.

[RussianKid]

The reason why we don't allow Warez is simply because we don't want to get the forums in legal trouble.
That's all.
Who said anything about posting links for warez and if a person gets caught than thats their problem not yours. Ban the people that post links to warez.

[Dr.MAD]

Then why did you use the statement
Interesting how some moderators know what is warez and close threads for no reason
What the person does on his PC is indeed not our business, and I don't care, but what happens on these forums is our business.

[RussianKid]

Then why did you use the statement
Interesting how some moderators know what is warez and close threads for no reason
What the person does on his PC is indeed not our business, and I don't care, but what happens on these forums is our business.
I know that you know that people who ask for a no cd have a warez version of the game :p. Its like 2% have a broken cd the rest are all warez people. It funny that i was on gamershell forum and the gut was talking about Doom 3 that he has it and asked if anyone wants its, the thread was closed after 4 or so pages :blacgrin. In here you say something in a suspicious maner your thread gets closed.

[Dr.MAD]

Oh, you mean THAT?
Yes, you're correct. It's a tricky issue. We know that many people here use cracks for illegal purposes, but as you said yourself: that's not our business. It only becomes our business if the person clearly states that he has an illegal copy of the game.
If people want a no-cd because their CD is broken, I have some suggestions:
Send the broken CD to the makers... 98% chances you get a new CD for free. Secondly, install the game, and immediately make a backup of it (or use a no-cd from day one): it will reduce the chance of bad surprises :)

But I understand it can be confusing sometimes ;)

[Stongrel]

Virgin post :dance:

I feel warez damages an already fragile PC gaming economy. I'm thankful there are sites like this, where I can find fixes to games I pay with my own money, along with useful info on those games.

Its sad people only come to these forums to try and find freebies.

Thanks for the great site and all the help.

[rock123]

OK, to the guy above who doesn't know what piracy is or its definition. Piracy is selling a downloaded or shared product that is in stores. If you share it with someone via programs such as Azureus or such, that is perfectly legal. In fact the PC economy depends on that you retard. If one guy burns the game to two people, each of those two people is gonna show off to 10 other people and they will actually buy the game, instead of those 2 people buying it. Otherwise, if the 2 people buy the game, they'll be like, yeah whatever, everyone buys it, i'm nothing special. I'm not saying piracy or warez are legal (which is probably the only word that has a z ending instead of an s one in the pirating world), so shut up and get your facts straight.

[silent_dr3am]

Virgin post :dance:

I feel warez damages an already fragile PC gaming economy. I'm thankful there are sites like this, where I can find fixes to games I pay with my own money, along with useful info on those games.

Its sad people only come to these forums to try and find freebies.

Thanks for the great site and all the help.


hmmn what world do you live in? fragile pc gaming ecnomy indeed, man this is big biznus owned by the realms of corprate giants, who's only concern it profiting, so plz dont ask me to shed tears for them because ppl are dling warez

[Nefairius]

I feel warez damages an already fragile PC gaming economy. I'm thankful there are sites like this, where I can find fixes to games I pay with my own money, along with useful info on those games

Oh yes, please, for just $50 a day you can help feed a starving CEO his daily 8-ball of coke and hooker addiction.

IMO the greater amount of word-of-mouth advertising their games get from this offsets the sales-losses they would have actually taken. Frankly flopping sales is a result of floppy games. Almost all the major gaming firms are controlled by large corporations, filled with folks bent on making a successful game and not a good game this is why they have so few successes now. I play a game like say, EDMW, and you can just see the pathetic effort to interest people, it's no wonder it sold so very poorly.

[DuNcEaHoLiC]

LOL would u morons shut up damn... who cares about warez they suck ... just get off ur lazy asses and get a job and buy the game... :dance:

[Bluice27]

Three reasons why DC++ is so crappy:
1.full of viruses
2.FULL of fakes
3.FULL OF ****
I don't like "the name" warez because if u ask 100 people that who uses
warez and who uses some other program 90 out of 100 says nowadays
"i use some other sites/programs" so don't call warez piratism.

use emule for games movies soft. or use the site http://www.sharereactor.com to get the right versions and the original versions all files are in bin and cue so u need alcohol 120% to mount them to the virtual drive what alcohol makes.

I was reading this forum and I came up on the message above...I was curious about the conversation. This a forum where people come on to find information, get help on whatever, watse time, or just plain and simple chat about anything...I don't see why anyone should be told what to call what unless it is something against the rules and the Admin acted on the situation. Who cares if it's "WAREZ" or "Piracy" or whatever as long as people understand eachother there is no reason to be making an issue about how you name a certain act or object. It all means the same thing at the end of the conversation or paragraph. I was also curious on the "www.sharereactor.com " site that SephirothXXX posted and this is what I got when I clicked on the link:

ShareReactor.com is offline for the time being. ShareReactor's Owner, Christian Riesen also known as Simon Moon, is under investigation for violation of Copyright and Trademark laws in Switzerland, where he lives and ShareReactor is hosted. There is no date set when its clear if ShareReactor is illegal, or not. No charges have been made yet, this is only an investigation.

If you want to have more information, there is a page open about this (and more) that is updated frequently on http://www.respectp2p.org/

At RespectP2P there are also details in case you want to donate to the legal fund that has been created to aid Christian Riesen in this legal battle.

P.S. So I guess that site isn't all that great at the moment... :blacdead

[sin316]

im from switzerland , and here the term "warez" is kinda different to other countries , since :

(after actual law):

im allowed to copy ANY media (cd/rom , dvd/rom etc) ,
im allowed to REMOVE or AVOID Copy-Protection (most countries dont)
im allowed to give copies to family AND friends (no go tell me who isnt my friend ? )

aslong as i dont sell , im perfectly save.

now for all the p2p stuff , kazaa ? sharereactor , emule are good ? geez gime a break. only dc++ is good , consider you know where to go lol.

best is irc for public , or having dump axx , believe me , THATS w^hat you want :p


anyway , my philosophie about warez (and those of most rls groups)

you like it , you buy it. Look at warez as a big demo (or as a demo it should be).

[SCHIZM]

I was reading through these post and found it ironic that none of the "experts" on warez even mentioned the true source of warez. The only people that use kazaa and other p2p clients like those are about 5 years behind and should go play with their pong game.

The main source for warez is in the form of bittorrents. They have games, movies, apps , and music. There are even releases well in advance of the store date. To go to kazaa and look through peoples files is archaic when you could use a bittorrent client and dl an entire discography of a particular artist.

[Invisible1]

I was reading through these post and found it ironic that none of the "experts" on warez even mentioned the true source of warez. The only people that use kazaa and other p2p clients like those are about 5 years behind and should go play with their pong game.

The main source for warez is in the form of bittorrents. They have games, movies, apps , and music. There are even releases well in advance of the store date. To go to kazaa and look through peoples files is archaic when you could use a bittorrent client and dl an entire discography of a particular artist.

Amen brother, Seems they arent so 1337 either. Kazaa sucks, and most of the other p2p programs blow chunks also. Warez dumps which arent reffered as those anymore. Bittorrent is the future of gaining pirated material. However warez forums still exist, I know of a few.Mirc,which was mentioned earlier is the old standby for warez,many active servers still exist, and usually are kept up to date with new releases.

[pupupupu]

I was reading through these..... use a bittorrent client and dl an entire discography of a particular artist.

well, just my opinion.. one cannot get rare, hard to find, old files thru bittorrent, and as of date most of the reputed bittorrent sites are down... cheers... pupupupu

[B^2^K]

good idea... thanks

[Ytokes]

Three reasons why DC++ is so crappy:
1.full of viruses
2.FULL of fakes
3.FULL OF ****
I don't like "the name" warez because if u ask 100 people that who uses
warez and who uses some other program 90 out of 100 says nowadays
"i use some other sites/programs" so don't call warez piratism.

use emule for games movies soft. or use the site http://www.sharereactor.com to get the right versions and the original versions all files are in bin and cue so u need alcohol 120% to mount them to the virtual drive what alcohol makes.

1.Its not full of viruses if u update it.
2.There arent fakes if u know ur stuff.
3.And theres no **** if ur in NZ! :blacgrin

[siiix]

No, hard discussions, warez are very illegal and should be banned everywhere. And the idea of "BRICK" was very good.
of course it should stay illegal on most of the planet, it would be not much fun and would not be "pirating" if it would be legalized or not forbidden

i think its perfect how it is these days, actually i liked the 80's a bit better because it was a bigger challenge to crack a game and they groups all put they little intros in front of the games ,i miss those times ; )

[the_icon]

I may get flamed for this but not a single poster has mentioned newsgroups.

I no longer abuse the system and would rather pay for a game/app that I enjoy/use than try to deprive a hard working male/female of their wages. So what if you have to put the cd/dvd into the computer to get software to work. These warez sites/torrents have forced this upon us. If the software houses really believed that every copy of their software was purchased then they wouldn't go to such absurd lengths to protect their intelectual property.

Not one single computer user has a problem purchasing hardware legitimately but the majority feel it is their right to have all the software they want for free. How would you all feel if during the night someone broke into your home and stole a part of your computer because that person didn't want to pay for it. Do shoplifters get praised because they have managed to remove products from a shop without paying for it. I think not.

I have used and abused computers for more than half my life and it is so obvious that all the requests for no cd cracks are because the majority do not have the original/purchased software.

There are 5 or so pages on a halflife2 no cd crack. It is so simple to get half life2 to play without a cd/dvd.

1. Remove halflife2/steam etc.;
2. re-install steam - logging into your original account.
3. Click 'Play games' and select half life 2
4. Steam will download and unpack hl2
5. Play the game.

How is that hard - my original dvd stays in the case - never to get damaged.

With regards to other titles - LOOK AFTER THE MEDIA - simple.

I have cd's dating back to 1985, vinyl dating before that. They all work. WHY?

I look after them - no cracks - no warez - just care.

I'm sure other members who use vinyl don't post asking for a no vinyl patch for a record so why do users feel it is their right to have to have a no cd patch for new technology?

Put the CD/DVD in the computer and enjoy the product you have paid for rather than this constant moaning that there is no crack for v1.03 of the latest game/app.

Warez will always be available - society demands it. Catch 22 situation. Software is expensive. Why? Because it's copied. Stop pirating software and the price will drop but were all too impatient to wait so the prices remain high. Prices are high so people pirate software. In the end - there will be a loser and I feel it will be the genuine consumer who just wants to play a game.

Last thought to the poster who believes that torrents are the true source of warez. Wake up :)

[UPucker]

I am just jumping in at the end of this topic, so....

I think that the industry is wasting time protecting the media. Very soon it will possible to get your all content online rather than in physical form. Where are we to store our movies/games when we download them? Console games will be downloadable. Nintendo is going to make sure of that. If these companies would shift their focus to advancing game creation/artistic pursuits, they would be able to cut costs. Right now they spend a huge amount fighting pirates. If they focused less on defense, they could advance their control of the online market. audio cds are a good example. They try and try to make them uncopiable, spending huge amounts to research this worthless pursiut. Only to have someone circumvent their protection in weeks or days, or hours. They should see that if some kid in his moms basement is willing to spend his free time breaking what they spend millions to secure that they cannot win.

but anyway...

[kane1289]

To me warez, isnt warez anymore.. back in the day like 6 years ago, it was warez, when they just posted ftps to get programs and games.. where cds where floating around my school with thousands of dollars worth of software on it. Thats warez... nowadays its Mirc triggers which are gay, movies.. which are crap and fricken mp3'z which is pointless... the only thing warez is good for anymore is movies and mp3'z. But who would bother to download a movie that looks like crap, unless its on DVD Then it looks good, and with napster and bearshare and all those, why bother gettin mp3'z from them anymore. Warez just plain sucks!! :-D

[wolfsrain]

The problem is the fact that out there is no aligned legislation. In some countries the laws are very permissive, while in others the laws are very restrictive. Some countries denies u the right to have a backup for original, while others are letting u to do whatever u wish. So the line between what's legal or what is not is established by the laws of the country where u live,u develop your business or host your site. And let's put it bluntly: I have an old Caesar 2 original cd. It seen a lot, but it still works.Mainly because an original is made to resist in time. But I must recognize that having a no-cd(the lazy person that I am) simplifies things. You don't have to change the cd's when u want to play something else and such. And the scene always added: "if you liked that game,buy it.we did".

[Killah Ghost]

Warez sites indeed contain ALOT of viruses and porn, it does not take alot of 'wisdom' to say that they are not usefull to people! Warez may contain something useful you wont find anyware else..... but again thats just a pile of *unwanted matter*!! So to be smart, stay away from warez to help the community....

[Killah Ghost]

Why Does Warez even exist when hardly anyone does not go to their sites. Their sites are full of Viruses, Porn, Spam, Evrything thats malicious to a person. Bother not to enter their s***!

[STi FlyBy]

If someone wants to download software illegally, I think they deserve anything that happens to them. If they contract malware that steals their identity and ruins their credit, I think that could be the only thing that could make someone learn their lesson. Warez is stealing ...

[wolfsrain]

If someone wants to download software illegally, I think they deserve anything that happens to them. If they contract malware that steals their identity and ruins their credit, I think that could be the only thing that could make someone learn their lesson. Warez is stealing ...
Completely agree with you. When I was young and stupid(that would be a long time ago, a very long time like, around 10 years or so), I used to download the games. Back then, the game ripps where in fashion, there were warez sites all over and private ftps, the legislation about internet and game copyright was less than complete. And it happened to see what a full CD brings to you(music, movies, some other features) and how resistant in time can be such a CD, an original. So i've stopped downloading my games and started to buy them. And my computer became a happy computer:). Free of viruses, malware, spyware and so on. I discovered that an original product it's usually a quality product, brings you technical support and so on. I've learned how to choose my games carefully(meaning reading reviews, playing a demo).
I think that doing stupid mistakes it's part of growing up. Also I know that in some countries people are doing fantastic sacrifices for just buying a computer. Those are the poor countries, where the monthly salary is around 100 euros or so. With that amount of money, you can't buy originals:(
That's the case in some of the states of the Eastern Europe, some Asian, African or South American countries. The russians have done a fabulous job for combating piracy. They offered basic versions who can be sold only in Russia. Those versions were made under the direct supervision of the big publishers, so a new game there is around 20 euro and an old game between 5 to 10 euro. But the corruption running rampant in most of the poor countries, the greed for fast profit stops initiatives like this, initiatives, that on the long term are creating the premise for a flourishing market. And that's a shame. Those countries have my sympathy when it comes to copyright, but advanced countries...IDipSkoalMint is right. The people who can actually afford to buy the bloody product and they don't do it, those people deserves whatever a warez site offers them:)

[STi FlyBy]

Most people think my opinions are too harsh, nice to know someone agrees with me haha ... I think everyone at one time or another has gotten software free, but as long as you realize that it's wrong and you change your ways, it's alright. I now work doing HTML and realize how much work is put into coding (I took many CS classes in college and spent countless hours doing stupid programs for them). I don't like seeing people like myself getting ripped off.

[Killah Ghost]

You can still Download Games Now, Its not all over the place like before though... only in shareware Programes and Corrupt sites which very few people know, On limewire (and Others) however you can find Anything, And I mean Anything! Music downloads is The main Use for it, But A vast Veriety of Games Also. Hell, I cant download a game because My connection sux! LOL

[Munkul]

nice, heated , discussion. im just passing through.

i admit it! i have the balls to stand up ans say ive copied games, cracked stuff, an all of that.
however, thats in the past. now, when i see a game i really want, i buy it, and its worth every penny usually. if someone gave me a game, id copy it, play it and decide wether it was any good or no. if no, then no-one has lost out. now this is where my argument comes in: those who say warez is like shopliftin are correct in a sense if its a well used program, but if you are never going to get the game/app anyway, then noone loses theoretically. eg - i was never going to buy gta:sa ever - had better things to do, then a mate gave me it cracked and i played it, loved it. but i was NEVER gonna buy it, even if i had played a demo, because it wasnt really the best game in the world.

am i digging myself into a hole here? have i made any sense at all?

[STi FlyBy]

nice, heated , discussion. im just passing through.

i admit it! i have the balls to stand up ans say ive copied games, cracked stuff, an all of that.
however, thats in the past. now, when i see a game i really want, i buy it, and its worth every penny usually. if someone gave me a game, id copy it, play it and decide wether it was any good or no. if no, then no-one has lost out. now this is where my argument comes in: those who say warez is like shopliftin are correct in a sense if its a well used program, but if you are never going to get the game/app anyway, then noone loses theoretically. eg - i was never going to buy gta:sa ever - had better things to do, then a mate gave me it cracked and i played it, loved it. but i was NEVER gonna buy it, even if i had played a demo, because it wasnt really the best game in the world.

am i digging myself into a hole here? have i made any sense at all?

Your mindset is similar to that of premarital sex ... according to Christianity, sex is a sacred act to be confined within the boundaries of marriage. This day in age, people climb in and out of bed with each other, kind of "testing the waters before they commit" type thing. You don't want to spend money on something you want to be good and be disappointed. Your mindset was loud and clear :nod:

Unfortunately, that doesn't make what you're doing any more legal ... :nono:

[wolfsrain]

n this, I support Dip position...I can fully understand what he says. As I've stated before, at a certain age is easier to do stupid things. I've done that, until I received as a gift Caesar2. I still have that cd, and it works fine. That's what you get when you pay for the original. A media made to last in time. Of course in the box era there were t-shirts, trading cards, action figures and god knows what else. Now you can find those anymore, except if it is a collector edition.All is coming in those DVD cases. Cold, impersonal...And they should be hell of a lot cheaper, seeing the content...Most of the companies avoid to release demos, afraid that they won't sell the game...Bad policy if you ask me...Of course, I want to see what I'm buying and of course I won't buy it if it will damage my computer or I just consider it to be bad. But I support the customer right to see what he gets, to buy a product knowing every little thing about that product. So the warez, also comes from the greed of big companies who are refusing to their clients the basic right to know for what are they paying.So enter the friggin' warez. The last years brought a lot of cr.ppy games and a big loss in sales for companies. Uninspired projects, countless sequels, the list is long.They forgot that the PC market is very different from the console market. But even the consoles are having their fair share of titles who are renewing the gameplay. On the PC, the new things are rare, mainly because the big wigs are thinking that they must play safe. It's an WW2 trend?Okay, let's do a shooter on that. This will sell well, they think. Diablo like clones sell well;all is about trends. Yet, the PC best seller is a game hated by some, adored by others, the american version of the japanese Tamaguchi: The Sims. And there was no demo for sims. Only the warez released the game, and i know a lot of people who bought the original because they wanted the support and the sims exchange and all the perks of the original product. But this is just one happy case when the warez scene is actually doing good for a company.I think the companies should focus more on game quality than on a possible sale, because some trend. I believe that those CEOs should keep a game in production as much as needed, not rushing those out and than releasing patch after patch or letting the fan community solve the bugs that the company's beta test team failed to discover. And then someone like John Romero(man, when this man fails, he fails big, remember Daikatana) comes out and says that the modder community hurts this industry...There are pros and contras for warez, I understand why this thing exists. It is a reaction to music, movie, gaming industry. But for a small artist, net distribution, even free, it is good. It is the place where the underground can make their work known...Not the best, but when the record company is telling you that they don't want your music because is too strange,'cause is not mainstream, than you seek recognition any way you can...And again, that doesn't makes the warez scene legal. But as some swiss chap mentioned, his country has a different legislation.And as long as there will not be a unified legislation, there will be warez paradises...I know how much work is put in a game or a soft. that's why I don't condone warez...
And as an interesting thing: Call of Chthulu: Dark Corners of The Earth was in production 7 years. One hell of a game. Recommended, as is a lot better than the other gamereleases from Bethesda this year.

[fire_scorpion]

no excuses any more

[acal3000]

Reading the first old posts on this thread. And noticing that old reply of that user defining "Piratism" instead of Piracy . What a bunch of garbage. Never heard something more stupid in my life

[assenort]

Pretty interesting opinions, some of which gave me good time reading through.

Warez is all about stealing stuff that belongs to other people, I trust everyone agrees to that. Therefore, warez is bad and it should be condemned, opposed to, hindered and made hard to come by as much as possible.

However, I tend to believe that under certain conditions, people actually can be justified for practicing warez, so to speak. A few examples:

Half-life 2 and the Steam ++++

I absolutelly DETEST and HATE when a piece of software (no matter game or app) calls constantly home for validation, update, whatever - I really friggin CANNOT stand this. I want it when I buy something that I use it at MY convenience, hassle-free, not having to care if I have internet connection at the moment or not. And the Valve's infamous Steam ++++ used to get on my nerves every time I wanted to play Half-life 2... So? I sold my legal copy and will never ever even consider purchasing anything from Valve again, although I cannot promise I will not try out their stuff. It is perfect example how an idiotic company prone to lying about their release dates turns a legit customer into... well, you know what.

StarForce protection

Perfect example why people must NOT buy anything (or generally aquire it legally) that is protected with this ++++. I got a game - believe it was Spellforce 2 - which put this Starforce ++++ on my computer behind my back, and hopla - when I tried to update my motherboard driver (VIA chipset), computer was coming up with the Blue Screen of Death nonstop. Man, if I could have laid my hands on the idiot that invented the idiotic StarForce, that person would have long been burried and rotting.

Py point is - Warez is to some extent a response to stupid and short-sighted corporation people, who do not really care about their product and even less about the legit customers, but try to make a fast buck.

One last thing - I personally trust that people have all good reasons to seek and use NoCD as a tool for protecting their investments. Should I have thought better a few years ago, I would still have working my legit CDs with Tomb Raider 2 Premier, Wordperfect Suite 8 Pro and a few other things.

Greets.

[STi FlyBy]

Pretty interesting opinions, some of which gave me good time reading through.

Warez is all about stealing stuff that belongs to other people, I trust everyone agrees to that. Therefore, warez is bad and it should be condemned, opposed to, hindered and made hard to come by as much as possible.

However, I tend to believe that under certain conditions, people actually can be justified for practicing warez, so to speak. A few examples:

Half-life 2 and the Steam ++++

I absolutelly DETEST and HATE when a piece of software (no matter game or app) calls constantly home for validation, update, whatever - I really friggin CANNOT stand this. I want it when I buy something that I use it at MY convenience, hassle-free, not having to care if I have internet connection at the moment or not. And the Valve's infamous Steam ++++ used to get on my nerves every time I wanted to play Half-life 2... So? I sold my legal copy and will never ever even consider purchasing anything from Valve again, although I cannot promise I will not try out their stuff. It is perfect example how an idiotic company prone to lying about their release dates turns a legit customer into... well, you know what.

StarForce protection

Perfect example why people must NOT buy anything (or generally aquire it legally) that is protected with this ++++. I got a game - believe it was Spellforce 2 - which put this Starforce ++++ on my computer behind my back, and hopla - when I tried to update my motherboard driver (VIA chipset), computer was coming up with the Blue Screen of Death nonstop. Man, if I could have laid my hands on the idiot that invented the idiotic StarForce, that person would have long been burried and rotting.

Py point is - Warez is to some extent a response to stupid and short-sighted corporation people, who do not really care about their product and even less about the legit customers, but try to make a fast buck.

One last thing - I personally trust that people have all good reasons to seek and use NoCD as a tool for protecting their investments. Should I have thought better a few years ago, I would still have working my legit CDs with Tomb Raider 2 Premier, Wordperfect Suite 8 Pro and a few other things.

Greets.

Sorry, but you're just blowing steam (pun intended). Steam simply makes sure your game is up-to-date, which fixes bugs (and helps minimize the problems you have). They're making sure your game issues aren't due to a bug that's been fixed (it helps troubleshoot without you bugging them). As for the making sure it's legit, well, it's to prevent players from cheating and ruining the online experience for everyone (personally, I don't like when someone has an unfair advantage). As for Starforce, it was a good idea, with a bad unseen consequence (hence, the reduction in use).

The only part of your post that really made any sense was the parts where you told how you hate how companies have certain practices. If you don't like the practice, that's fine, don't purchase their product. But that does not give you the right to steal (warez = stealing). My family had issues with a chain store called Sears. We ended up having to sue them (it ended up an out-of-court settlement after they called the day of court). That was nearly 25 years ago, and my family hasn't bought anything in that store since. Do you feel that because we've had legal troubles with their store practices, that I have the right to walk in the store and steal from them? It's not my place to tell you what you should and shouldn't do, but saying "I don't like them updating my game for me" or "I don't like starforce" is going to help you when you get sued ;)

[assenort]

No, I cannot agree about your point for Valve's Steam. If they really care about user-friendly updates and so forth, they can make nice downloadable patches and updates like other decent companies do, and make them available on their site for download. Thus, one can get those at convenient time, store them on the computer or on CDs, and use them whenever feels like it. This is how I am used to and like to proceed, and all my friends that are gamers. To give you an example - one friend let me play Episode 1 on his computer, with legit copy of the expansion. The guy was complaining that every time he proceeded to update the game, there was a problem of some sort - and I experienced this myself too, although I finished the expansion in 2 quick runs altogether. Yeah, Valve may say that it is not their problem, it is a problem with the connection from our side, but I would not buy this for nothing.

And also, I am not advocating that the reason for not liking something or some practice gives you the right to cross the law. I am just saying that every action triggers a similar reaction, so companies like Valve and others using questionable practices more or less got what they deserve instead of what they would expect from their point of view...

[acal3000]

No, I cannot agree about your point for Valve's Steam. If they really care about user-friendly updates and so forth, they can make nice downloadable patches and updates like other decent companies do, and make them available on their site for download. Thus, one can get those at convenient time, store them on the computer or on CDs, and use them whenever feels like it. This is how I am used to and like to proceed, and all my friends that are gamers. To give you an example - one friend let me play Episode 1 on his computer, with legit copy of the expansion. The guy was complaining that every time he proceeded to update the game, there was a problem of some sort - and I experienced this myself too, although I finished the expansion in 2 quick runs altogether. Yeah, Valve may say that it is not their problem, it is a problem with the connection from our side, but I would not buy this for nothing.

And also, I am not advocating that the reason for not liking something or some practice gives you the right to cross the law. I am just saying that every action triggers a similar reaction, so companies like Valve and others using questionable practices more or less got what they deserve instead of what they would expect from their point of view...

I agree Steam is a pile of ++++. One of the most horribles Softwares ever created.Some people say is good but I can' see anything useful on it.Maybe good for valve but for the users makes everything more difficult. I hate because of that you said. I lke to manually download the patches stores them for archival purpouses and with the Steam pile of scum you can't do that. i hate auto update crap in games I like have the control of the patches myselff. If you want to format your computer.storing you Steam account settings is a pain. one you do a clean install you have to download that big useless junk updates again and take lots of time . I also hate the way Steam acts everytime detects an active internet connecting have to connect to the internet for search for more useless crap like spyware I know it isn't spyware but acts in a similar way and and don't let you to play the game is better put a firewall of something to nlock the connection because Steam do it's ++++. and completely hyper moronic and retarded having to be on-line to play offline single player like steam was at the beginning. I was near to buy Battlefield 2142 but I hear on some forum that had some crap like Hl2 that had to be online to play single player and actually the single player was bad so I left it and bought another game instead

[Random]

Yeah BF2142, required an internet connection as standard, as you need to register its CD Key with an EA account, so its similar to Steam in that respect.

As for Steam, I have a few small issues with it, but I still like it, I like how it keeps your games constantly updated, so theres no "version mis-match" when you join an online game.

Like you said, when you installing Steam from fresh, waiting for all the updates and stuff is a pain in the arse.

[Tehganon]

in the topic of WAREZ i got reported becasue i got a WAREZ version of starcraft and asked if there was an online patch for it. is that any reason to be reported?

[eCK0]

Yes. Warez is ILLEGAL.

[Tehganon]

i wasnt posting my WAREZ i was just asking if there was an online patch/crack. ive seen many patches and cracks on MG i dont see why i would get reported for saying i need a patch. w/e its not illegal for me unless i make a profit off it actualy =p:dance:

[STi FlyBy]

i wasnt posting my WAREZ i was just asking if there was an online patch/crack.

Warez is illegal, and therefore, is not supported here at MGF :nono:

End of story.

w/e its not illegal for me unless i make a profit off it actualy =p:dance:

Use of a no-cd fix is only legal if you own the original game disc.

[Tehganon]

would emulators be considered WAREZ because they are pretty much free games posted by someone. but they have emulators on MG. if emulators are WAREZ does that make MG a bunch of hipocrits

[Black Veg]

would emulators be considered WAREZ because they are pretty much free games posted by someone. but they have emulators on MG. if emulators are WAREZ does that make MG a bunch of hipocrits


Well mate,

Lets just make it all pinky clear from the start:

1) If you don't like this forum or it's rules - feel free to leave - Nobody is forcing you to stay.

2) This forums has rules - all members should (and will) play by these rules.
In fact, you even agreed to the said rules, when you regged ur account.

3) The members of staff are here to enforce these rules either by simply remarking (AKA soft tool) or by temp bans, bans, bad karma (Or in some cases simply by making me that person's"special friend").

4) As for the topic of what are Warez & emulators and the difference between them:

"Warez" refers primarily to virtual copyrighted material traded in violation of copyright law. The term generally refers to illegal releases by organized groups. It usually does not refer to commercial for-profit software counterfeiting. This term was initially coined by members of the various computer underground circles, but has since become commonplace among Internet users and the media".

On the other hand an emu is usually:

"A console emulator is a program that allows a computer or modern console (cross-console emulation) to emulate a video game console. Emulators are most often used to play older video games on personal computers and modern video game consoles, but they are also used to translate games into other languages, to modify existing games, and in the development process of homebrewed demos and new games for older systems".


MG doesn't get in your pants with what you do at home, however, this forum does not support (and will not support) any way, shape or form warez or any illegal action(s).
If a member of this community wants to use the information or help of others for anything illegal, we will not only remark, close and warn that user, we will also ban that person from any future use of this forum. That is rhe rule and anybody who wants to be part of this community will either obey or leave the community - Simple as that and not open for any debate.

Having said all of that - I hope it's clear enough for everybody.

I also think this short movie (It doesn't have any sheep in it, but it is pink, so it might help people understand) might give you more information on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wMHcpMmV9g

[siiix]

:birthday:

its an old tread but as it did not turn in to flaming i still respond (again) as i find it very interesting subject

the thing is that warez unlike popular believes do not come from warez sites, the guys who try that will learn they lesson soon with viruses and Trojans : )

there are plenty of ways geting your warez "clean" (not meaning legal)

and the thing about "hard work" is that the profit wont end up by the coders, not even in the department of where the guys work (i worked for activision) but it desapears in the corporate world... so dont feel sorry for the programmers, graphic artists, musicians, bands, artist, ...

i say (from my own experience) pirate the data and if you like it send some cash to the people creating it DIRECTLY, it wont make it legal BUT it make it all RIGHT

there are plenty of ways doing this from check/MO to paypal, or just ask the guys directly with an email

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i argue about this issue a lot, and it funny to see that the people who respond aggressively to pirating subject are most of the time involved with publishing/distribution or law enforcement NOT the actual artist/coders.. i think i dont have to color out WHY : ) as a programmer you do not have many choices how you can turn your talent in to cash .. after all the corps made sure that you cant market your own product and most coders/artist are broke and need fast cash anyhow .. they just get taken advantage of

so support you product by paying your favorite artist/coders directly ! fock the system !

[STi FlyBy]

:birthday:

its an old tread but as it did not turn in to flaming i still respond (again) as i find it very interesting subject

the thing is that warez unlike popular believes do not come from warez sites, the guys who try that will learn they lesson soon with viruses and Trojans : )

there are plenty of ways geting your warez "clean" (not meaning legal)

and the thing about "hard work" is that the profit wont end up by the coders, not even in the department of where the guys work (i worked for activision) but it desapears in the corporate world... so dont feel sorry for the programmers, graphic artists, musicians, bands, artist, ...

i say (from my own experience) pirate the data and if you like it send some cash to the people creating it DIRECTLY, it wont make it legal BUT it make it all RIGHT

there are plenty of ways doing this from check/MO to paypal, or just ask the guys directly with an email

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i argue about this issue a lot, and it funny to see that the people who respond aggressively to pirating subject are most of the time involved with publishing/distribution or law enforcement NOT the actual artist/coders.. i think i dont have to color out WHY : ) as a programmer you do not have many choices how you can turn your talent in to cash .. after all the corps made sure that you cant market your own product and most coders/artist are broke and need fast cash anyhow .. they just get taken advantage of

so support you product by paying your favorite artist/coders directly ! fock the system !

Or you could just follow the law and pay for the software legally ...

[angelez]

i think warez its not completely free like before , ex: free download software