Die for your country? [Archive]

Zafiras

09-21-2002, 05:52 PM

it wont be long until woman are on the front line... they are already taking over the reins in many of the traditional men roles.

Originally posted by Fred
There is no evidence that Iraq has any weapons, and why are they not allowed weapons, when America, China, Russia and other countries are allowed.

cos those countries know how and when to use these weapons, you dont see Bushy or Blair standing on a balcony shooting machine guns in the air do ya...

as far as them affecting you directly... if and when saddam takes over kuwait, then moves on and allies himself to china, etc... then who knows what could happen... good ole tassy could be all thats left of australia... and thats scarey

I would have to say yeah i guess i would defend my country but am annoyed at the way governments turn their backs on so many of the every day joe's, but love to send em off to their funerals when a war rears its ugly head.

oh and by the way conscription sucks, and evan if australia did have it, they wouldnt take me... im to old for em :D

Black Veg

09-21-2002, 06:32 PM

Oh yeah poor old Iraq "never done anything"....

Boho boho boho have pity for the Iraqi "victim" (Victim of their own leaders), or maybe it's boho boho what has Saddam done to deserve this (Just links to El Quida, using WMD, AND rebuilding those factories).....

Bunch of crap!!!!!!!!

Makes one think why is he fighting with such people back home.

P.S: Let me guess it's also a "conspiracy" by the U.S Gov.....

rogueingreen

09-21-2002, 06:57 PM

i would only fight if it was my country that was under threat, not for another country's oil profits,

Besides i'm in a reserved occupation :D i don't even have to do jury service.

Zafiras

09-21-2002, 07:00 PM

firstly what occupation is that? that reserves you from bein the average joe?

i want it :D

Fred

09-21-2002, 07:35 PM

I Personally don't trust the information which the american government gets. During the bombing of belgrade, they couldn't even find a map which told them that the chinese embassy moved, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I could have given them the information if they asked

frogdude

09-21-2002, 08:07 PM

I want to join the army anyway. OF COURSE I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR MY COUNTRY!!!

col

09-21-2002, 09:02 PM

if im unemployed, hard up against the wall. No money, near homeless....y not??.... if i was in that situation where it seems ur gonna die sooner or later....i would do it but only for a good cause

Zafiras

09-21-2002, 09:07 PM

i like all these young guys saying yes... as i said b4 - im 25, they aint gonna want an old fogey when they got all these kids young n energetic :D;)

col

09-21-2002, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Zafiras
i like all these young guys saying yes... as i said b4 - im 25, they aint gonna want an old fogey when they got all these kids young n energetic :D;)

lol...is this a scam to get us hyped up for war:rolleyes: and u r secretly part of the army and trying to get recruits :rolleyes: cuz if it is...:flame: :p ;)

doughboy

09-21-2002, 09:46 PM

Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, but not now..no way.

Sometimes it doesn't even feel like my country anymore.

ABA

09-22-2002, 02:13 AM

Originally posted by col
if im unemployed, hard up against the wall. No money, near homeless....y not??.... if i was in that situation where it seems ur gonna die sooner or later....i would do it but only for a good cause

yeah same here i would fight for my country if i had none of those

Dan

09-22-2002, 02:14 AM

I think ne1 would if they was in that position ;)

rogueingreen

09-22-2002, 04:52 AM

@ Zafiras
do you really want it? ..... I'm a nurse!

Zafiras

09-22-2002, 06:58 AM

na m8 you can keep it... thats one job i dont think i could handle... i was waiting for you to say you were somethin like a politician or something :D

nurses deserve a pat on the back :)

hitek303

09-22-2002, 07:12 AM

There is no way in blue hell that I would ever die for America.

I would defend my own country but if I have the choice to die for sure and save my country or live and let it get taken over, I wouldn't chose to live. And my country has pretty high unemployment anyways.

poi

09-22-2002, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by Zafiras
i like all these young guys saying yes... as i said b4 - im 25, they aint gonna want an old fogey when they got all these kids young n energetic :D;)

Wow, guess that makes me old as rope. Would I die for my country? Yes. I would die for a friend or even a stranger. Or should I say risk my life.

ABA

09-22-2002, 01:28 PM

Originally posted by poi

Wow, guess that makes me old as rope. Would I die for my country? Yes. I would die for a friend or even a stranger. Or should I say risk my life.

na u shouldn't risk ur life, risk it for a reason like if somebody robs u or something and he tried to kill u go ***EDITED*** Kill his ass j/k but i'll risk my life for my family

micro761

09-22-2002, 01:32 PM

Easy with your words ABA. :rolleyes:

ABA

09-22-2002, 01:35 PM

ohh sorry about that Micro761

WorlWydeHusla

09-22-2002, 07:05 PM

i would do exaclty what c4era said

Inquisitor

09-23-2002, 04:12 AM

I just found this in the quotes area of MGF:

Originally spoken by General George Patton

The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bast**d die for his. :clap:

doughboy

09-23-2002, 04:31 AM

lmao @ brick & gg..

very good quote.

Rain

09-23-2002, 05:41 AM

I'll go off and shoot someone when Tony Blair, himself, does the same. :D
I've risked my life for my loved ones before now, and would do it again - but I sure as hell wouldn't go off and kill some total stranger 'cause my country's leader wants me to, unless he'd be prepared to do it with me. :)

Zafiras

09-23-2002, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by Rain
I'll go off and shoot someone when Tony Blair, himself, does the same. :D
I've risked my life for my loved ones before now, and would do it again - but I sure as hell wouldn't go off and kill some total stranger 'cause my country's leader wants me to, unless he'd be prepared to do it with me. :)

:clap: nice... and agree :clap:

Demonic

09-23-2002, 09:44 AM

hah, no good little soilders here, just watched black hawk down, why the would you wanna do that? go off and kill yourself for somthing that doesn't make teh slightest bit of differnce to you OR your country

zer0c00lrulez

09-23-2002, 09:11 PM

nop, the us suck if you are going to fight with other us soldiers around , most of the us casualties are because of friendly fire. LOL

philman132

09-24-2002, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by C4era
1. Canadian
2. We don't have enemies.. we just get drafted for fight... IE. WW1, WW2...

That was just because you were part of the british empire, and part of the commenwealth.

and the thing about women not allowed on the front line, that is only due to women not being physicly strong enough for it, they do not have the physical streangth to serve on the front line, and so we dont really want them putting other soldiers lives in danger do we.

i wouldnt want to join the armed forces, and i dont agree with the war on iraq, there is no proof, tony blair is just liking georg bushes arse, and how the hell did the people of america make that idiot the most powerful man in the world, i mean come on, even we didnt vote in william hague.

rogueingreen

09-24-2002, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by zer0c00lrulez
nop, the us suck if you are going to fight with other us soldiers around , most of the us casualties are because of friendly fire. LOL

Most of the casualties from any country have been from the U.S. friendly fire, allies or not!

Black Veg

09-24-2002, 10:20 AM

philman132, Even if Clinton was the President it would still be the same thing. Hell no matter who would be the president it would not change the fact that there are problems with Iraq (Even the U.N acknowledged these problems).

But on the other hand - some people just don't give a damn and just don't get that there is a live and present danger....

Think about it.

sam

09-24-2002, 11:00 AM

To all of you, the red necks, who the american goverment wish all of us are, so that they can fool us by claming that it is these weapons in saddam's hands that they are after.
IT IS THE OILLLLLLLLLLLLL! you fools, and let all the children, women, and men of iraq die. As if those are not humen, it is OK to kill the ARABS they are not humen, It is OK also for the israili army to kill the palastinian children and women, They are not humen.
Come on dont feel self guilt, KILL them all they are not humen..........
jerks

Black Veg

09-24-2002, 11:19 AM

And you are talking about red necks?

They don't need to "fool us"......Some people simply know what they are talking about - others (The real fools) just post their crap and go away.

*An argument can be made on so many levels - yours is the bottom....Calling someone a red neck, posting curses and flames towards everybody who doesn't agree with your views, is basically being an idiot.

Vile

09-24-2002, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by sam
To all of you, the red necks, who the american goverment wish all of us are, so that they can fool us by claming that it is these weapons in saddam's hands that they are after.
IT IS THE OILLLLLLLLLLLLL! you fools, and let all the children, women, and men of iraq die. As if those are not humen, it is OK to kill the ARABS they are not humen, It is OK also for the israili army to kill the palastinian children and women, They are not humen.
Come on dont feel self guilt, KILL them all they are not humen..........
jerks

Yet another muppet amongst us.

Raine

09-24-2002, 12:06 PM

Superb comeback, Vile. Anyway, I thought this thread was about dying for your country...not Iraq (again).

Loonytune15

09-24-2002, 02:16 PM

I would join but I would only fight on aussie soil so we are not invaded, why anyone would want to anyway. :)

just because I am 5 yrs younger than you Zaf doesn't mean you are too old to fight

Zafiras

09-24-2002, 09:12 PM

not to old to fight... but my fading eyesight makes it hard to shoot things and my grey hairs makes me a beacon for a target :D

i would fight if need be.

On the age topic tho, the thing that really pisses me off is that they can draft you in the states at the age of 18... they consider you adult enough to fight... but not adult enough to drink alcohol or vote... how fair is that?

ThePhoenix

09-24-2002, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Demonic
hah, no good little soilders here, just watched black hawk down, why the would you wanna do that? go off and kill yourself for somthing that doesn't make teh slightest bit of differnce to you OR your country

It's called selflessness, you stupid asshole! There's people out there that care for more than just themselves, or just the people of their country. :mad:

ThePhoenix

09-24-2002, 10:46 PM

On the above-said conditions, yes, I would give my life, if it was for a worthy and righteous cause (i.e. not like vietname for example).

Originally posted by Geordie Girl
well lets put it this way, if I could, I wouldn't.
Why wouldn't you??

Rocol

09-24-2002, 10:59 PM

I admire everyones Patriotism .. Excellent :clap: .. but .. I wonder how many people would change thier mind once they have experienced bieng shot at :eek: .. it is not like you see in the " Movies " believe me .. it makes you think " What am I doing here " ... get your best friend to fire a " Friendly " bullet close to you .. and then ask yourself this question again :eek: .. I guarentee your answer will be ... No :(

Black Veg

09-24-2002, 11:16 PM

Dear Mr. Rocol.

Do you know all the people in the forum? do you know how many were or still are in the army (At least 3 are in the army and others were)? How many of those posted in this topic? Do you know that in some European countries, they still have a draft of all the men at a certain age to the army?

In other words I guarentee most of the answers will still be YES...

(This is not a flame or anything like that)

Rocol

09-24-2002, 11:31 PM

Dear Mr Black Veg

Do you know that I was in the " Army " and that I have been shot at .. and wounded .. I only posted voicing my experiences .. I have seen enlisted persons crying when fired upon. Yes I do know that some European countries still have " Drafts " in the Army .. I guarentee you that the majority of those I refer to have not seen action .. Have you ??

This is not a flame or anything like that .. Just my opinion :(

Black Veg

09-24-2002, 11:41 PM

Yes I have been fired at, yes I have fired at people, I have used an Uzi in urban warfare, mainly used M16 (M4), do you want me to continue this list of actions?:rolleyes:

From what I got from your first post - I believe your first post is somewhat unrespectful for the views of the above posters. Saying some people can not stand up to their word, Which is NOT the case here, and I would suggest these type of insults (From the back door) be kept aside.

Edit: As for you being in the army, never had the need to do any research on you:D

Rocol

09-25-2002, 12:04 AM

" From The Back Door " .. that is good coming from someone who does not state his location / Country and does not wish to be seen as " Online " :rolleyes: :D :D ... I am never unrespectful to anyone .. we each, as individuals, have our opinions .. and as such voice them .. which is the nature of this forum ;) ... :D :D :D at your use of weapons ... surely you mean you used them in " Urban Chaos " :rolleyes: ;)

Black Veg

09-25-2002, 12:15 AM

A back door is a back door wether you call it sharp or not....

I see you also know what an insult is...

Never played urban chaos, maybe u got mixed between urself and other people, who really have been in teh army and do know how to attach a gun to a scoop (No, not in a PC game).

BTW - some people also have guns at home - no not the plastic ones you keep as toys....Real ones that blast holes in your body or with a good aim and use can knock off a limb.

As for your remarks about me - I would advice you to deal with your own problems. You do not need another one.

EDIT: And clean ur PM box.

Rocol

09-25-2002, 12:27 AM

I have always attached a " Scope " to a gun .. I have never used a " Scoop " except in the kitchen :rolleyes: ... Guns at home .. have a look at my profile sunshine :D :D .. You .. a problem to me :D :D :D :D ... if you wish to continue this useless chirade then please PM me .. do not waste space on this thread .. Goodbye you are the Weakest ( Invisible ) Link :rolleyes: ;) :)

Black Veg

09-25-2002, 12:30 AM

Smart pants, aren't you.

Do not insult people and you will not be insulted - it's an easy equation even someone like you can understand.

Bye for now jolly soldier boy.

philman132

09-25-2002, 01:45 AM

ah shut up and stop arguing

in most european countries, the legal age for becoming an adult is around 17-19, im not sure how old u have to be to be drafted into the army, but if its like the american age of 18, when u turn adulta at 21, we could have 14 year olds on the front line.
NO

Vile

09-25-2002, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by Rocol
I admire everyones Patriotism .. Excellent :clap: .. but .. I wonder how many people would change thier mind once they have experienced bieng shot at :eek: .. it is not like you see in the " Movies " believe me .. it makes you think " What am I doing here " ... get your best friend to fire a " Friendly " bullet close to you .. and then ask yourself this question again :eek: .. I guarentee your answer will be ... No :(

Veg kinda beat me to it, but I agree. No offense, but you don't know most of us here personally, therefore should not make decisions for us. :\

In general...
I have 3 close friends who are in the armed forces. 2 are in the army, and 1 is in the marines. The one who is in the marines has been in Afghanistan for the past 5 months, and was also there when all the "crap" happend over here.

Everyone who puts their life on the line to serve their country has my respect.

Loonytune15

09-25-2002, 05:57 AM

here here :)

sam

09-25-2002, 09:57 AM

You are wright, I was little mad that people can decide in there mind to end other people's life without knowing them, and even knowing that they are human like them, with families, children, homes, looking for better life and future.
the iraqi people's only mistake is that they have a bad goverment.
maybe you will anderstand my anger when you know that i am a loyal US citizen who was born in BAGHDAD.
god bless you all.

ThePhoenix

09-26-2002, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Rocol
I admire everyones Patriotism .. Excellent :clap: .. but .. I wonder how many people would change thier mind once they have experienced bieng shot at :eek: .. it is not like you see in the " Movies " believe me .. it makes you think " What am I doing here " ... get your best friend to fire a " Friendly " bullet close to you .. and then ask yourself this question again :eek: .. I guarentee your answer will be ... No :(

I give some reason to your post, but remember the conditions imposed on the first post question:
"unemployed, hard up against the wall. No money, near homeless... government couldnt give a rats ass bout you.
War breaks out and they want you... would you go?"
On such conditions I don't think it's too hard to give your life away.

Also, in Portugal for example, every male over 18 is drafted to the army (though you can delay it some years if you are studying)

Dr.MAD

09-26-2002, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Zafiras
No money, near homeless... government couldnt give a rats ass bout you.
War breaks out and they want you... would you go?

No. I'd fight for my country, if the country did something for me. But if like you say, government doesn't give a ***EDITED*** about me, they can just shove it up their...hum...mouth.

micro761

09-26-2002, 05:38 AM

TO: Spy 005

please,no need the use of foul language.

Rocol

09-27-2002, 01:34 AM

Originally posted by ThePhoenix

I give some reason to your post, but remember the conditions imposed on the first post question:
"unemployed, hard up against the wall. No money, near homeless... government couldnt give a rats ass bout you.
War breaks out and they want you... would you go?"
On such conditions I don't think it's too hard to give your life away.

Also, in Portugal for example, every male over 18 is drafted to the army (though you can delay it some years if you are studying)

Hmmm .. something has gone from here since I last read it :confused:

Saurgrist

09-27-2002, 02:02 AM

I would definitely fight in a war if my country needed me. I even may go to a military school.... but I'm not sure yet.

Armadillo

09-27-2002, 03:14 AM

i would never ever ,under no circumstances fight 4 my country ,i aint going no where to be shot at

Dr.MAD

09-27-2002, 03:23 AM

Originally posted by micro761
TO: Spy 005

please,no need the use of foul language.

Sorry about that

doughboy

09-27-2002, 04:54 AM

@dillo m8,

surely you'd fight to keep your family & friends etc safe though...

I think that's what the topic is trying to say..

Geordie Girl

09-27-2002, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by ThePhoenix
Why wouldn't you??
because I'm a chicken, a coward call it what you want! No way am I willing to die because some pompous idiot wants me to.

ABA

09-27-2002, 06:25 AM

Originally posted by Geordie Girl

because I'm a chicken, a coward call it what you want! No way am I willing to die because some pompous idiot wants me to.

same here i wouldn't die for a pompous idiot

Fawn

10-03-2002, 03:36 AM

Yes, I would definitely die for my country. Good ole' red, white & blue. :) Guess I'm just your average patriotic republican. hehe

doughboy

10-03-2002, 04:40 AM

yes, in fact after reading all the replies and other threads I think I would be prepared to die for my country(on the assurance that it doesn't continue in the fashion it currently is in)

The British way of life is fantastic.... We need more people like Brick with the British Bull Dog tatooed on their arms, we need the courage to stand tall and be proud, we need to stand up to false gods(cherie & tone)...blah...blah..blah..

Jesus, I forgot where I was going,,,,never mind...I'm sure you get the drift....

What we need is more bulldogs, more respect, more hard workers, you know.....the stereotypical way of english life...

BE PROUD, BE STRONG, and as once a fine Canadian man said to me(seriously, and no it wasn't wwh) DON'T LET THE BA$TARD$ GET YOU DOWN.

rogueingreen

10-03-2002, 05:07 AM

Trouble is, Doughboy, if you was to stand up and say "What we need is more bulldogs, more respect, more hard workers, you know.....the stereotypical way of english life... ", you would be branded a racist in Britain. I agree with you 100% but it is not the fashionable, liberal thing to be seen doing. :(

Black Veg

10-03-2002, 10:09 AM

rogueingreen people do not know the meaning of the word "racist", Nazi etc but they use it....Just because some idiot coward will think bad of you - doesn't mean you should lose your own values.

Untouchable1

10-03-2002, 01:18 PM

Dear Mr Black Veg and Rocol

I for one tire of your arguements may i suggest you get yourselves a hotel room and :kiss: and make up :rolleyes:

Would i die for my country that depends if i thought the cause was justified if i did i would and you wont find me crying at the thought of being shot at. Im not the kind of person you want to upset.

If i thought the cause was not justified id be a bit agrieved by i would still fight, though if i had kids of my own my choice would be know its unfair to leave them with the risk that they will lose their father

Black Veg

10-03-2002, 01:23 PM

Dear outlawz - it wasn't about rocol

Untouchable1

10-03-2002, 01:24 PM

nah i meant stop bashing each others opinions :(

Black Veg

10-03-2002, 01:30 PM

Sorry mate - but I won't shout up when someone disrespects me or my friends Or when someone think he can patronize us - I will also never lose my values.

If anybody has a problem with that, bad luck!

Untouchable1

10-03-2002, 01:36 PM

yeah yeah i understand m8 but i think Rocol just likes to rock the boat a bit i dont think he means it

rogueingreen

10-03-2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Black Veg
rogueingreen people do not know the meaning of the word "racist", Nazi etc but they use it....Just because some idiot coward will think bad of you - doesn't mean you should lose your own values.

Very true, my friend but this is a country where the word blackboard is banned! polictically-correctivness has gone too far and it is now impossible for black people to be racist but any comment by an outspoken white person get's them shot down in flames.
I have nothing against any-one (Except the French!!!) but i feel that people should be championed by their merits not by their colour, why should a black person get a job over a white person because the rules state that a company must have a certain amout of ethnic-minority people on their books. If i was black i would want to get a job because of my skills not because the rules say the company should have me!
Fair-play for every-one, i say!

ThePhoenix

10-04-2002, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by Rocol

Hmmm .. something has gone from here since I last read it :confused:
Huh, What do you mean? My post is unchanged!

ThePhoenix

10-04-2002, 02:05 AM

Originally posted by Geordie Girl

because I'm a chicken, a coward call it what you want! No way am I willing to die because some pompous idiot wants me to.

I see you're not cut for the military... but what if a second nazi reich resurges and attacks your country?...

doughboy

10-04-2002, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by ThePhoenix

I see you're not cut for the military... but what if a second nazi reich resurges and attacks your country?...

I can tell you exactly what would happen..

They'd get put up in 4 star hotel, given grants to help buy modern weapons, then be able to sue to British Gov. because they have locks on their hotel doors.:mad:

Geordie Girl

10-04-2002, 02:50 AM

How right you are Doughboy :(

Burn

10-04-2002, 08:20 PM

If it was a legitamate cause, like World War 2, then yes I would fight for my country. But I'd be damned if I would fight and die for the bleedin' Yanks, which is basically all that British troops do these days. The USA goes on one of its 'Peacekeeper of the World' missions and the UK follows cos we think that we still owe the US for supporting us in WWII....thats basically why we do everything that they do. No chance....if Bush wants to send good soldiers to die over a worthless cause (expect lining their own pockets) then let him do it with his own troops.

Zafiras

10-07-2002, 02:32 PM

what if it was to fight for the UN then?
and no dont say the US is the UN cos its not... look at the probs the US government has had putting the Iraq issue thru the UN

Burn

10-07-2002, 06:02 PM

It depends on the cause.....An evil tyrant planning world domination then yes, but sticking your nose in other countries business, no !!

rogueingreen

10-08-2002, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by Burn
It depends on the cause.....An evil tyrant planning world domination then yes, but sticking your nose in other countries business, no !!

:hands:

Fred

10-08-2002, 05:32 PM

I wanna kill.
I wanna kill the Arabs.
I wanna kill the Naziz.
I wanna kill the Chinese.
I wanna kill the Serbs.
I wanna kill the Kosovars.
I wanna kill everything.
There is one big problem with this marvelous tactic the american government is usingm, most of these problems start at home, I don't mean in people's houses, I mean in america. Not only because their own people are bombing buildings, or killing schoolmates. let me quote some dude "if you point a finger, three are pointing back at you". Before blaming the problems of the world on other people, look at your selves. You go around sticking your noses in other peoples buisiness, like Afganistan after wwII, and then don't leave. Your government provokes other people, individuals or countries, by not miniding their own buisiness, and tying to help. If they stayed on their own soil, and didn't "Help" other people, they would be much better off.

zer0c00lrulez

10-08-2002, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by Burn
If it was a legitamate cause, like World War 2, then yes I would fight for my country. But I'd be damned if I would fight and die for the bleedin' Yanks, which is basically all that British troops do these days. The USA goes on one of its 'Peacekeeper of the World' missions and the UK follows cos we think that we still owe the US for supporting us in WWII....thats basically why we do everything that they do. No chance....if Bush wants to send good soldiers to die over a worthless cause (expect lining their own pockets) then let him do it with his own troops.

I am an argentinian guy, there was a war in the malvinas/falkirk islands with the british, i would fight for England right now if you need me to do it , but i would not fight for the USA, you used to be the enemy of my people, but i would die for your country rather than even shooting a bullet for the USA. Now if you think about it that war was because of the US pressure on both Argentina and England, in that period of time the USA was supporting a Dictatorship that was killing thousands of inocents, the USA gave my country 200 harriers to kill the british and for the british, they gave you ships to kill us , so i don't blame any of our countries England or Argentina.

Omen Amarath

10-09-2002, 12:43 AM

Depends for what cause....In war I would...

JAGPANZER

10-14-2002, 08:57 AM

That's a big "if" there.

Being a 33 yr old citizen of the most powerful nation on the face of this planet, I can honestly say that I would serve if asked. But if I was ever actually "needed", the primary weapon would be bows and arrows.

Afghanistan was just a dress rehersal for the shape of things to come.

Your soldiers will have few opportunities to actually face ours in combat, and live to tell about it. That privledge is reserved for LGM's from mars.
We will rain death on you 24/7. No water, electricity, roads, sanitation, communication, anything worth having; will be left standing.
When you have not eaten in over 2 months.......
When you have not had clean water to bathe, much less drink, since our bombers arrived......
When you haven't had a single night's sleep since our shadow has been cast....

Only then will you be able to see an actual soldier of ours.

Right before an AC-130 gunship thermally targets you and erases you.

jeicampro

10-14-2002, 09:30 PM

Of curse I would die for my country...

I would run over the battlefield with pride. Kill the enemy with no "but's"

Jagpanzer: I agre so much with you! Unfortunatly America is afraid to use their air power... A shame... We could have saved soldeirs lifes...

Colt .45

10-14-2002, 10:36 PM

i would die for my country, but only if my country was at real risk and i actually had the chance of influencing the way war went. its a difficult question, and to be faced with death is i'm sure very tough, its difficult to just say yes or no

Cheers,COLT

JAGPANZER

10-15-2002, 09:15 AM

I say the US needs to bust ass on the whole damn planet.

We'll call it the RESPECT TOUR 2003

Hey burn the UK has yet to pay back their share of the Marshall Plans expenses on rebuilding their nation. It's not the US's fault that the UK fell for Lord Chamberlains p**y arse views" peace at any price ", hrmph indeed!

The only nations to pay the US back were Sweden and Denmark, everyone else still OWES U.S. bigtime. If you won't pay your debts burner you can at least work it off.

As for the argentinian pansy.
I'm an American of mexican descent. I can say with no racist undertones that you are a worthless pile of crap. Go ahead and even try to raise up arms against US. You mess with the best, you will die like the rest.
My south of the border hermanos couldn't run a legitimate government if their lives depended on it. The US quit caring which dictator ruled their particular country down south for two major reasons.
1) the eurosocialists here did want true american style representative republics to be established for innumerable reasons.
2) no matter which despot we ejected, another just took his place. It got to be that as long as he wasn't a commie, we'd tolerate him. Pinochet(Peru) ? Give me a break. He didn't do anything that Daniel Ortega(Nic) hadn't already done. Yet Pinochet is the criminal? As if. Ortega should be tried for crimes against humanity before Pinochet is even bothered.

I would be the first to sign up for the RESPECT TOUR 2003.

The argentinian maricon should be thankful that when Margret Thatcher asked Reagan for the permission to use tactical nukes against the Argentinian air bases in response to the sinking of the HMS Prince Edward, Reagan said, No. The UK had sufficient force required to conquer the Argentinians in the opinion of the JCS. Using coordinated US intelligence and surveilance, the Brits routed those jotos inside of 72 hours.

If it had been up to Britain, Argentina would have joined Japan as the only other nation that nuclear weapons were used against.

But it's the US that runs the show on this planet. Argentina is in US controlled territory(the western hemisphere), so sit your unruly broke ass down.
Ungrateful bastids, if Thatcher had nuked Argentina perhaps your parents would have been incinerated or sterilized thereby saving us from your dumbass takes.

Those in this world will never defeat US, because deep down inside they want to be US...No???

Then put your practice where your philosophy is and get offline, get rid of your US marketed items, and go herd goats with the rest of the throwbacks.

Vile

10-15-2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by ThePhoenix

I see you're not cut for the military... but what if a second nazi reich resurges and attacks your country?...

Is it requred that everyone MUST be cut out for the military?

@JAGPANZER

Please try no too cuss so much, I edited a few words.

JAGPANZER

10-15-2002, 11:02 AM

No it's not required. Heck if you're a liability in the field you might be better suited to digging latrines, building tanks, polishing artillery casings, whatever.

Fortunately, the US has elevated the art of war to such a level that our force multiplication assets cost more to operate than anything else. The force multipliers combined with a trained army of our size has no problem meeting the physical costs of action; the fiscal cost is our only real limitatation.

SO......the best thing EVERY American can do is to spend their money. Generate revenue and capital gains; this will enable our military to meet all it's mission demands. Buy luxury items(yes viddies do count kiddo's), and those who can pay taxes, do so: have fun, doing your part in the war effort has never been so easy(oh yeah vote GOP)

Napoleon said an Army marches on it's stomach.
Someone must have said it fights with it's pockets.

C'mon Vile, look at the over all word ratio. 3-4 words out of a decent sized and paragraphed post. Maybe .06 per paragraph. Percentage wise, I barely farted.

Zafiras

10-15-2002, 04:48 PM

Im proud to say we (Australia) IMO dont owe the US anything... they gave us support in our times of need in which we have shown support 100% where need be, maybe not to the same military level but hey we could have just sat on the side lines but we didnt... we offered all we could.
Thats why we dont owe anything... the reason above probably applies to other countries out there to

jeicampro

10-17-2002, 01:28 AM

yeah we should march with Americaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

I would like to fight in Aghanistan! I am proud of the people that are fighting there right now...

USA we fight by your site, destroying the demons from the middeleast!

WAR IS THE ANSWER!

ThePhoenix

10-22-2002, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by Vile

Is it requred that everyone MUST be cut out for the military?

? Ehh... no it's not. I didn't say it was, did I?

Caos

11-10-2002, 10:15 AM

LOL never WARS are for idiots and because of idiots we have wars.
Well if there were indeed a war i will join whoever is winning or won:grin:

Zafiras

11-10-2002, 11:13 AM

power hungry and idiots are 2 totally different types of people, unfortunately the power hungry types (Hussain and alike) dont know where or when to stop... leaving the likes of the UN, US, and UK to move in and stop him.

those 3 (US, UK, and UN) can not be considered idiots in times like this.

jelsof

11-12-2002, 11:33 AM

Yep caos wars are for idiots.

idiots who save your poor arse.

Zafiras

11-12-2002, 04:02 PM

settle pettle... dont wanna get this thread closed cos of name calling

Colt .45

11-12-2002, 09:07 PM

consider these:-
1. What good is a country if your dead

2. situation-Iraq is bombing america, and fighter has just flown over your house and you know it has dropped a bomb would you stand still and let it kill you, or would you run???if you are dieing for your country you would stay.....does that mean, if you are trying to get away from a threat such as the situation described, you are not willing too die for your country........
iraq has used a bomb on your house, if it had saved it, it could have dropped it on the white house............

think about it pls

after thinking very hard about it, i would say, no, i would not die for my country

Cheers,COLT

��X�C�L��R��

11-12-2002, 09:32 PM

sorry im late on this one.

would i die for my country ? - yes, maybe, although im not 100% sure why.

would i die for queen ? - not a hope in hells chance. the royal family can go take a run and jump as far as im concerned.

Colt .45

11-12-2002, 09:44 PM

what have the royal family done for us anyway????

��X�C�L��R��

11-12-2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Colt .45
what have the royal family done for us anyway????

Sweet F.A

Kaspal

11-13-2002, 01:44 AM

die 4ur country?...

i really dont think so--- unless the attacker is commin to ur country n tryin to invade it, but if is in senseless wars like the ones uncle sam use to go, its not a good idea.

Zafiras

11-13-2002, 02:01 PM

royals are nuffin but a figure head these days... well thats as long as your not a die hard royalist

Akasha

11-13-2002, 06:22 PM

My familys doing enough with my brother in the army so no
Gulf,Bosnia and now Afganistan i think we are worried enough without me going off to fight aswell.
And besides its not really our war its the Americans :mad:

Deadlus

11-13-2002, 06:32 PM

I'll never die for my country, but I will die for my family. If they invade us, I'll "try" to kill everyone that comes close.

Caos

11-14-2002, 03:13 AM

As long as i have my pc and the internet.... i will be fine:dance:

Colt .45

11-14-2002, 03:15 AM

...yes....rite wel thanx for that:rolleyes:

reine

11-14-2002, 12:20 PM

some of you people sure have a thing for raising stupid arguements. you do know a debate needs some smart people not idiots in the 3rd grade.

Deadlus

11-14-2002, 06:34 PM

what is it with these newbies these days? all them seems to make dumb comments. reine, you don't know me and you have no reason to call ppl idiots since you're the one here.

Zafiras

11-14-2002, 11:43 PM

think it may have been a dig at "caos"' post

Colt .45

11-14-2002, 11:46 PM

but then again he was talking about the debate...if he is the he can **** off, its an increadably complex and very mature topic, if he is talking about caos, then ok, i agree

Caos

11-15-2002, 08:28 AM

hhmm a muture subject. This very same muture people are the one who makes wars. So our men/women go to war to fight for our honor/freedom:rolleyes: because some politics and all this war industry say it so, gimme a ****ing break.They want war ok then give Bush and Sadam a gun so they can kill each other lets see if they have the balls to do it...Think for a minute, what a about vietman or iraq. You went to a country to fight for what comunism/freedom :rolleyes: (do you really give a **** about these things in vietman or any ohter country), really for what...?? Who gave americans (or any other country) the right to get into other countries business. Do you really think Bush give a damn about weapons of mass destruction or in fact this is all a charade and at the end this all come to money/petrol and power. Also do you think the war industry have nacionalaty, they dont give a **** about us or your country just money!

I am not antiamerican or anything in fact i love american people or any other one i have nothing against anybody but watch out fellas dont get these suckers blind you with hate this is what they want so they can get richer. Do you think i would hate any of you in these forums because some fat politics tell me to do it?? Would you??? Well i said hell no!
All politics are the same in every ****ing country.

peace my friends

:love:

no im not a hippie:p

Colt .45

11-15-2002, 08:55 PM

i'm not saying war is mature, i'm saying that the discussion about dieing for oyu country is mature

datarin

11-15-2002, 10:27 PM

I would go to war and i'll be there right next to all the W*anky Politicians who started the war ;)

ace

11-24-2002, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Caos
hhmm a muture subject. This very same muture people are the one who makes wars. So our men/women go to war to fight for our honor/freedom:rolleyes: because some politics and all this war industry say it so, gimme a ****ing break.They want war ok then give Bush and Sadam a gun so they can kill each other lets see if they have the balls to do it...Think for a minute, what a about vietman or iraq. You went to a country to fight for what comunism/freedom :rolleyes: (do you really give a **** about these things in vietman or any ohter country), really for what...?? Who gave americans (or any other country) the right to get into other countries business. Do you really think Bush give a damn about weapons of mass destruction or in fact this is all a charade and at the end this all come to money/petrol and power. Also do you think the war industry have nacionalaty, they dont give a **** about us or your country just money!

I am not antiamerican or anything in fact i love american people or any other one i have nothing against anybody but watch out fellas dont get these suckers blind you with hate this is what they want so they can get richer. Do you think i would hate any of you in these forums because some fat politics tell me to do it?? Would you??? Well i said hell no!
All politics are the same in every ****ing country.

peace my friends

:love:

no im not a hippie:p

Well if your not worried about weapons of mass destruction than your obviously not too educated on the subject. Once this kind of device is made it could be delivered almost anywhere in the world quite easily. So yes I truly believe that Pres. Bush is really concerned about it and I think everyone should be. Saddam has used chemical weapons on his own people so who says he wont use them on anyone else?

I am in the military and I wouldnt think twice about giving my life for freedom. I dont think anyone here would be happy living under a communist government. The concept is nice but history has shown that more times than not it doesnt work. Because of many, many heros over the years we have the freedoms we have today. If it wasnt for them we probably wouldnt be able to talk about this because it would be a crime to critize our governments. Alot of you take what we have for granted. I would rather die than live in a communist country. I love my freedom.