Do you know that?

[Truth]

I think we will be the leader of the world in next 10 years.Now we don't fear any country except us but U.S.A is collapsing,so we will be the strongest country in the world.No chinese the earth can not turn around.We know how to kill others with smile.
Step 1: let you think we are fooler than you .Step 2:Let you think you can earn money from chinese.Step 3:you invest in china.Step 4:You will lose all your money in china at last.Ha ha ha...foolish western people.

[Outlawz]

China breaks when thrown :p

[Rocol]

@ Truth .. I'll have 2 No 28's ( 1 with Rice & 1 with chips ) and a portion of Mushrooms, before you wipe us all out please M8 :rolleyes: :D

[Saurgrist]

USA is collapsing?

[gamerchik]

Originally posted by Saurgrist
USA is collapsing?
it seems that way:(

[marky mark]

not if i have somethin to do about it punk
judo kick

lol

[Vile]

Is this supposed to be a joke?
Anyway, this belongs in SOBH, because I'm ready to do a bit of arguing....*moving post to correct forum, and cracking kunckles*

[doughboy]

You're talking out of your backside Truth...

Believe it or not the west tries to be passive...

Never the less, we do posses the power of mass destruction.

I'm sure once a valid threat has shown itself, we won't hesitate to use those weopons,....unless you back down and agree to peace..

If you don't then you're nothing but a PLICK.;)

[ABA]

Ur in China so u don't think that china will collaspe lol man this should be in humor but there's a astorid that gonna hit the world in like 2082 but we won't be alive then see the new

[doughboy]

@ABA, in 2082 I'll be 106.....

If I'm still around, I'll stare that asteroid in the eye and say to it..."...

Oh I don;t know...

Oh yeah,,,, You're all ABA's fault..."

[ABA]

lol doughboy

[Peek-A-Boo]

An asteriod is gonna hit earth man i won't be alive at that time

[Zafiras]

give em credit china may chop suey everyone.... mmmm chop suey :D

anyhows a few things... everyone invests in chinese companies because somewhere along the way the chinese companies are half+ owned by countries of the efficient and powerful world.

anyway china will lose respect for not being in alliance with USA or UK and ummm that aint good... cos saddam gonna know how it feels shortly... and who knows, ole bushy boy gets on a high then chop suey may be lost for ever

[Black Veg]

interesting;)

But do not forgot you are considered as a nation that a Jihad should take place against- you might want to look into that....

Am not sure that everbody will fall at your feet, but time will tell......

[Dr.MAD]

Originally posted by Truth
I think we will be the leader of the world in next 10 years.Now we don't fear any country except us but U.S.A is collapsing,so we will be the strongest country in the world.No chinese the earth can not turn around.We know how to kill others with smile.
Step 1: let you think we are fooler than you .Step 2:Let you think you can earn money from chinese.Step 3:you invest in china.Step 4:You will lose all your money in china at last.Ha ha ha...foolish western people.

Ah ah ah ah, good joke, Truth

[philman132]

usa is falling, true, but china-good economy, red, but we cant help that, and apparently are closer to devising a landing on mars than the americans, hmm, possible

[WorlWydeHusla]

yea i know its the truth that its a joke lol

take it from a canadian

post when your sober eh?

[Bandit]

Originally posted by doughboy
@ABA, in 2082 I'll be 106.....

If I'm still around, I'll stare that asteroid in the eye and say to it..."...

Oh I don;t know...

Oh yeah,,,, You're all ABA's fault..."

LOL you just blame it on ABA :)
Why cant the world just say stop to war, it will be so great, whats the use of wars when you can live long as you can because theres a astroid thats going to hit earth and we are going to go KABOOM!

[Vile]

Originally posted by philman132
usa is falling, true, but china-good economy, red, but we cant help that, and apparently are closer to devising a landing on mars than the americans, hmm, possible

And what would you know about that?
Feel free to elaborate.

[Dan]

lol america failing.......U jokin right

[rogueingreen]

Its true that America has one of the biggest debts in the world and it is growing. its also true that one day, America will have to pay it back. It is also true that America is very good at annoying other countries (RE - its handleing of the middle east, its refusal to play its part in reducing world polution, its trade limitations on Japan and other countries, etc..) So maybe America isn't falling just yet but may do soon?

[Bandit]

How can america be falling are you joking?

[Demonic]

Originally posted by rogueingreen
Its true that America has one of the biggest debts in the world and it is growing. its also true that one day, America will have to pay it back. It is also true that America is very good at annoying other countries (RE - its handleing of the middle east, its refusal to play its part in reducing world polution, its trade limitations on Japan and other countries, etc..) So maybe America isn't falling just yet but may do soon?

on this note i must agree, i know alot of people here are pissed with our power hungry neighbours to the south over the softwood lumber dispute, and as for china ruling the world....well they certinaly have teh man power, and in this case utter disregard for human life would be an advantage, but if the us and china go to war, we will have WWIII on our hands..and..we all know what comes with that

i close my statement with a quote:

"I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought, but i know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Enistien

[philman132]

Originally posted by Demonic




i close my statement with a quote:

"I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought, but i know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Enistien


nice quote.

some people think that america is trying to hide its current economic problems with the 'war on terrorism' and maybe i wasa bit hasty with the america is falling bit. but there are huge debts, and the value of the doller did fall a hell of a lot after september the 11th

[ABA]

Originally posted by Demonic



i close my statement with a quote:

"I know not what weapons WWIII will be fought, but i know WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Enistien

very good quote man i haven't heard that in a long time

[WorlWydeHusla]

i dont get that quote

[Demonic]

:rolleyes: basicly he' saying WWIII will destroy the world

[Vile]

Originally posted by rogueingreen
Its true that America has one of the biggest debts in the world and it is growing. its also true that one day, America will have to pay it back. It is also true that America is very good at annoying other countries (RE - its handleing of the middle east, its refusal to play its part in reducing world polution, its trade limitations on Japan and other countries, etc..) So maybe America isn't falling just yet but may do soon?

Most of that is correct, and I agree (somewhat)

but:
"its refusal to play its part in reducing world polution"

??? Not sure where you are getting that from.

[SnipeR_X]

you are talking out of your @$$ you must be drunk or something

[Ewok_warrior]

hm............. methinks he hast partaken in too much rice wine.
i would just like to point out that if we wanted to, australia could take over the whole world, but we hate having to mow our own lawns, no way in hell are we gonna want to mow the whole worlds lawns :)

[evangelion4]

The way people are acting their will be no future. IMO
The only future that I could think of is that the world would operate under one government like the "UN" and if we're still fighting our self after that then the human race is doomed.

[philman132]

Originally posted by Vile




but:
"its refusal to play its part in reducing world polution"

??? Not sure where you are getting that from.


the fact that the USA produces over 25% of the worlds greenhouse gasses, and at the world talks, where almost every single other country agreed to a treaty that would bring their countrys production of greenhouse gasses down by loads, the USA declined, as ''it is not in americas best interests to agree to it'':cussing: :cussing: :mad: :mad:

[SnipeR_X]

yeah actually im thinking that it could be possible for china to be some of the next world leaders

[evangelion4]

Originally posted by SnipeR_X
yeah actually im thinking that it could be possible for china to be some of the next world leaders

"Next" world leaders?
who's the world leader now?
last I checked (2 mins ago) the world is not in charge by anyone Australia is run by Australian and America is run by Americans.
No one country makes a decision for the whole world.

[Loonytune15]

Originally posted by evangelion4


"Next" world leaders?
who's the world leader now?
last I checked (2 mins ago) the world is not in charge by anyone Australia is run by Australian and America is run by Americans.
No one country makes a decision for the whole world.

While that may be true, what about all the decisions that are made that we don't know about??

eg like for instance, Who has seen stargate?? while this may be a "fictional event" who says something like this isn't really going on?

And if one country is in control of it and the other countries are not then technically that country is making decisions for the whole world.

[bloodArvil]

Yeah your right evangelion4

[SnipeR_X]

Originally posted by evangelion4


"Next" world leaders?
who's the world leader now?
last I checked (2 mins ago) the world is not in charge by anyone Australia is run by Australian and America is run by Americans.
No one country makes a decision for the whole world.

hmmm........

[JAGPANZER]

China is a paper dragon.

If not for slave labor, that nation would be totally immobile. There is an intrisnic limit to the quality you can attain with slave labor. It will be easily 20-30 years before you see any chinese made electronics being offered in high end audio shops(macintosh, carver, advent, some sony).
China doesn't build better mousetraps, only cheaper, lower quality ones.

Over 90% of their army drills in pajamas with bamboo sticks because the PLA can't afford to clothe and equip them all.

The cosmopolitan facades of their big cities are a mile wide and an inch deep. Most of their country still doesn't have indoor plumbing or electricity. It will take more than 10 years just to do that.

The one child policy has led to the muder and abandonment of hundreds of millions of chinese baby girls. The future china is going to be very skewed in their female to male ratio; we're talking something on the order of 10+ men for every woman, not a recipie for a viable society.

Then there is the Olympic curse. Totalitarian regimes have fallen within 10 years after hosting the Olympics.
Nazi Germany hosted the 1936 summer Olympics, totally defeated by the US by 1945.
Soviet Russia hosted the 1980 summer Olympics, they totally collapsed by 1986 by economic pressures brought on by trying to match the US in defense spending.
Communist China is next on the chopping block.

Gamerchik, you should be ashamed of yourself for not thinking before you spoke; or I gave you too much credit.
This nation isn't on any sort of decline.
Economically:
There has been a global economic funk that's been going on for almost 15 years now that we have pretty much been able to avoid for the better part. Our recent economic downturn still isn't that bad. Our GNP still exceeds anyone else, our individual production still beats everyone even with china's gun to the head work force.

Politically:
The GOP is finally in charge, a serious reworking of our military projection is badly needed. If the democrats had been taking care of business like they are supposed to do(the US interests not the global interests), yellow monkeys like this dork who started this thread would be washing my clothes like a good dink.
We are on the road to political recovery.

Socially:
I realize with eminem and the like it might seem like all is lost, but this too shall pass. The more things change the more they stay the same.

Environmentally:
There is plenty of clean potable water, arable land and habitable regions...in the USA. Sure there are cesspools here and there, but on the whole it's nada.
Life is good.

Medically:
We still have the best services and treatments bar none. Cures for diabetes are in FDA final trials(all looks good), too much to mention: HPV vaccines, dental cavity vaccines, some cancer vaccines, the list goes on.

Technology:
We have no true equal. The russkies and krauts pull the occasional rabbit out of their hat now and then, but progress radiates from the USA.

The only thing going down in the US are the liberalass democrats.

It doesn't even SEEM to be going down the tubes.
I"ve read Sun-Tzu as well, chink boy's rhetoric is meant to demoralize US.

Ungrateful yellow turds. We should have let Japan keep on slaughtering their dumbasses a bit longer.
The bombing of Pearl Harbor was reprisal for our embargo of Japan.
We put those sanctions on Japan because of their treatment of the chinese.

I guess the US's biggest fault was not backing Gen Kaishek against the red chinese when we had the chance.
Fuggin Truman, damn democrats.

Get back to work chink boy, no starch on my shirts.

[JAGPANZER]

Also, the Kyoto treaty that we rightly rejected is based on a flawed science.
If there was such a thing as a greenhouse effect, plants would grow faster until the CO2 was absorbed and ambient levels went back to normal.
Even if icecaps melted, the sea water evaporates you dolt. Hence the water moves around; higher lakes for awhile, larger river flows, thickening icecaps.
It all balances out. Even if ozone was being depleted(which it's not, I work in the HVAC industry and any honest chemist can tell you why it's not), the evaporated water suspended in the atmoshere absorbs UV as good or better than ozone depending on the temperature.

But I digress, The US was not the only nation to not sign the Kyoto. We just said that even if you are dumb enough to, we aren't.
It's worth noting than China, India among others would be exempt from the treaty's restrictions.
It's a transparent attempt to hijack the the economies of the west and relocate the industry to their regions of the globe. If you can't see that effect, your politicians sure do. The only nation of significance to sign the Kyoto treaty is Japan who's economy can't get much more screwed up than it already is; collapse is collapse. Spain was going to sign but the whole thing is being debated in the EU now. I don't see any of the UK OR EU chomping at the bit to sign Kyoto; feeling froggy? jump!
But if it's all about "saving" the world what's to debate?
Easy, it's not the end of the world or even close to it. This planet has experienced hot and cool phases for as long as we can deduce from the geological records. Things are supposed to remain the same now just because some would like that?
The pyramids were built in a semitropical region just a little over 6,000 years ago maybe 7,000. But 4,500 years ago there was a big shift in the rainfall patterns. Was papyrus manfacturing affecting global wind patterns?

Listen to yourself. Blaming the weather for the US's technology is akin to a neanderthal thinking his father dying caused the rain to fall.
Modern day mythology. The "science" that supports it is shabby at best.
Ptolmec astronomy had some pretty impressive math to back their flat earth claims up as well. It was all wrong and misinterpreted, but respected for centuries.

[Inquisitor]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

Nazi Germany hosted the 1936 summer Olympics, totally defeated by the US by 1945.

Sorry to tell you this but it wasn't just the U.S who fought in WWII :doh:

[Private Ryan]

on the first stamement by Truth: that is @#$%, China is by no means the 2nd most powerful nation in the world. Britain is the 2nd most powerful. As soomeone said before your speaking out of your backside Truth. You need to revise your train of thought. If USA crumble and your start causing trouble I'll see to it myself that your NUKED! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! PUNK!!!!!! CAN YOU DIG THAT SUCKER!!!!!!!

[JAGPANZER]

The US ended the war on terms amicable to freedom loving peoples.

Russia would have ended up with the whole of eurasia if not for US.

Britain, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy: EUROPE itself would have been totally absorbed into the Soviet Empire.
The only people that europeans are good at killing are other europeans.
All the europeans did in WWII was serve as cannon fodder and bullet bags.

[Deadlus]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
Get back to work chink boy, no starch on my shirts.

Originally posted by Rocol
@ Truth .. I'll have 2 No 28's ( 1 with Rice & 1 with chips ) and a portion of Mushrooms, before you wipe us all out please M8

Originally posted by Zafiras
give em credit china may chop suey everyone.... mmmm chop suey

What with all those racist remarks? Seems like this topic has gone to far, IMO. Anyways, China will never be World Leader by any chance. First, they are not technically advanced at all. There are still people who are in poverty in China. Secondly, they are far from democracy and a market economy and are making little progress toward the former and irregular progress toward the latter.. Finally, China is more like a bag of spread sand. They don't like to help there own people, they are too selfish. They care not other but themselves.

[Inquisitor]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

Russia would have ended up with the whole of eurasia if not for US.

Thats just speculation as Russia never advanced into europe and nobody invaded into Britain.



Originally posted by JAGPANZER

The only people that europeans are good at killing are other europeans.

Thats total B/S the British has killed all kinds of ppl: Americans, Cossaks, Argy Bargies, Arabs etc.......................

(FACT)The US have to use the British Special Forces for all the major missions cause the US troops are not good enough. :)

[Private Ryan]

"(FACT)The US have to use the British Special Forces for all the major missions cause the US troops are not good enough."
(I don't know how to quote)

Yeah Brick, up the SAS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Troop_Zer0]

truth you cant talk china is as bad afghanastan and you no it :(:(:(

and you recon they could be world leaders BULLS@#$!!!

*Edit Troop_Zero use the edit button. This is the last time I'll do it for you. Next time I delete.
GG

[Ewok_warrior]

this thread has become somewhat aggressive. maybe everyone should just take a chil pill then approach this topic from another, less hostile angle?

in hindsight, posting this thread was fairly stupid, whenever someone stands up and says "we r better then u, we r going to own u" its pretty much goes without saying that a whole bunch of people are going to get pissed of and smack that person down

[JAGPANZER]

Complete rubbish. We let the SAS play because they want to do their part.
Which is fine, they are good at it. But a SEAL recon team is the deadliest team on the face of the planet. The support systems to back them up(AC130, B52, AH64, to name but a few) have no equals in any armed services of any government.
Our troopers could kick the britsasses again if it was actually neccesary.

I'll give the brits their due. But seeing as we kicked their ass TWICE( WoI and 1812) they are not the badass to US that they are to everyone else.
Germany has a historic tendency to bite off more than they can chew.
France? Lovers not fighters it would seem.
Spain? They used to kick ass like the Italians did, but not for a long time now.

It's not speculation as to the Soviets intentions after WWII read ALL of your history book, or get new ones.
1. They wanted Europe divided into a western controlled one and a soviet controlled one, this was Stalins demand in Yalta.
2. Russia invaded Iran, Truman threatened to bomb Moscow with atomics unless they withdrew, they withdrew.
3.The soviet red army had several hundred thousand tanks from 1945-86 ready in eastern europe with the intention of rolling to the atlantic at the signal. NATO's creation was the western nation's response to the soviet threat of invasion. It was the doctrine of first use with regards to tactical nukes that held the soviets at bay. It was impractical to have a million tanks ready in europe to counter a soviet invasion force when a field battery of atomic howitzers could neutralize any armored column. Our military force in europe is primarily to defend the weapon systems that we deploy over there.

It's not racist, it's nationalist. I'm a mezzkin beaner married to a lilly fuggin white celtic redhead honey. 2 half breed kids, I aint racist by a long stretch. At least not in the traditional sense anyway.

[Inquisitor]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

But a SEAL recon team is the deadliest team on the face of the planet.

I see we agree to disagree, I just wasn't talking about the SAS, but the SBS of which are of a more leathal group. But the British DO set the standard for special forecs around the world anyone who knows will tell you that, even your Delta force have had training in Britain to improve their skills.

You are a biast towards the US and they are not the best at everything to do with the military.

[JAGPANZER]

That's biased my good sir.

Our SOG's train with everybody: spetznatz, IDF, SAS, you name it; anybody of reputation will have the opportunity to cross train with US. So don't let the Xtraining get to your head. Like any good tactician, you expose your troops to different ways of looking at things to improve their abilities. The other guys show us things, we show them things, and everyone takes from the experience what they feel they can use.
Lastly is that it enables our soldiers to familarize themselves with allied nations forces that we may have to fight alongside.

It's not being biased Brick, just grossly arrogant.
The brutal fact of the matter is that in an all out, no holds barred, winner take all scenario; the USA would can all non american'sasses by dinner time.

The power that our tax dollars has created and harnessed is almost intoxicating.
Air power second to none.
Naval forces with no equal.
An Army that can roll over anything.
A black project fledgling Space Fleet( the US changed the main NORAD complex to the US Space Command in the late 1990's) consisting of under a dozen exoatmospheric fighter type craft, two dozen LRV's that can function much like the B52's( only with far greater range and speed-not as big a standard munition payload but it can pack enough nuke heat to sterilize a sub continent), and one US operated/manned/controlled space station.
No it's not the ISS Alpha.
It's jokingly referred to as the USS Omega, or simply DarkStar(yes the deathstar tag has been hung on it as well). She dates back to the mid 1980's. Originally a couple of shuttle external tanks strapped together and pressurized. It grew in size and function till the US had to put the ISS Alpha up come hell or highwater. Supply shuttles to the darkstar are done with certain Alpha runs. Without Alpha, there would be no way to refit and resupply the darkstar in total secrecy.
LOL- some secret, yeah the russians know of it but they don't know where it's orbit is.
I'm sure some in the british military are aware of it, but few higher ups if any.
Yeah, and a nationwide cadre of areospace geeks like myself that have pieced it's existence together over the past 15 years.

did you know that?


hahaha. Life is good my friends, here anyway.

EARTH BY BIRTH
AMERICAN BY GRACE OF GOD

[Ewok_warrior]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER
But seeing as we kicked their ass TWICE( WoI and 1812) they are not the badass to US that they are to everyone else.

Dude, thats just weak, "we beet u 2 times over a hundred years ago so that means we are better then u!"

that has to be one of the most pathetic arguments i have ever heard

[dpbcold]

Actually, the SEAL's were beaten in a scrimmage against the Norwegian special forces. But that was only due in part that the scrimmage was held in Norway, where the terrain is weird as hell and the SEAL's had no experience before. But that meant it was a new thing. Like it was said before in this thread, you learn from new experiences. But, the SEAL's would still kick the Norgie's tails if it were anywhere else. They are the best in the world. And china would never become a primary world leader. Not now, not ever.
A friend of mine once said (note he was chinese) that a Chinese army (armed with samurai swords) would be able to beat the Americans at a war. I don't know. I just thought that was funny.
USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA USA No place like it. And I'd never live anywhere else. And I LOVE NEW YORK

[JAGPANZER]

You said it.

As for the blunder from down under,
It's been over a hundred years because each time the brits attacked US, they got jinxed and lost a little bit more of their empire. Anytime they feel like scrapping, bring it! But about the only thing they got to lose now is Ireland.

Yeah the SF competitions are a bit unrealistic. Because all things being real world, the USAF would raze the ground to stubble. Predators would thermally scan the entire battle area, forward the info real time to the SOG's who would advance in under AC-130 support fire. I feel nothing but pity for any of God's creation at the recieving end of a flying bank of GAU's.

But the norgies do deserve kudos for being top brass.
As you noted everyone learned something, so in a way there were no real losers.

[Inquisitor]

Originally posted by JAGPANZER

Anytime they feel like scrapping, bring it! But about the only thing they got to lose now is Ireland.

PML:grin:
For an intelligent person you do live in a dreamland sometimes. And at least we had an empire!.

But when you have the biggest film industry in the world you can re-write history to the way you want it to be.

Can you provide proof that the US Special Forces are better than the UK Special Forces from a non-US source :)

[JAGPANZER]

Our "empire" is one based on commerce not conquest. Where you see the golden arches, or coca cola, that is evidence of our presence. We have never sought to rule over those we defeated(unlike some people). Instead we try to get each of our former foes to emulate our ways as best they can.
Sometimes it works, i.e, Japan, sometime's it doesn't, i.e. Mexico.
We may be Americans, but we are still humans.

We have no equals on this planet period. It's not bragging if it's the truth.
The coolest thing about being an American? ANYBODY CAN BECOME ONE.
Your only limitations are geography and philosophical bent.
Ironically, I believe some of the most ardent, patriotic Americans on this planet, have never lived a single day here in the promised land.
We remain a dream in their head, a goal for their mind's eye.
I eagerly await all who come here to become part of this grand 226 year old experiment.

My proof? How's Jane's defense? Not JUST the soldiers, everything together.
Due to the force multipliers that our army relies on, you can't properly grade our soldier's performance in combat without the support systems that each branch can bring to bear.

The only nation that ever came close in matching our field capabilities(rarely matched never equalled or surpassed) was the former USSR. The present CIS Army is a pitiful shadow of it's former self.

It is unrealistic to try some ambush type of scenario. Our military won't walk into one unless told to do so(somalia). Truth is if the soldiers that got trapped in somalia were anything else other than US troopers, they would have been completely wiped out. We lost something like 19 soldiers, the somalis lost over 1,200 by their own non US count. That's kill ratio that I can deal with, but we still got heaps big payback to dish out. We were only trying to feed those azzwipes, look at their gratitude.

WE ARE STILL THE ONE

Earth by birth
American by the grace of God

[Revelation]

USA

USA

USA

USA

:nod:

[evangelion4]

How good ones country's army/special forces don't really matter in a full out war, one nuke can destroy 20 years of training of millions of soldiers.

[JAGPANZER]

Point taken, but the US is developing Directed Energy Weaponry to nullify such counter threats.

Army- DEW points mounted on modified Bradley chassis are currently being evaluated. Effective to about 2 miles, it fires a chemical laser that destroys missles/jets/helos.

Navy/Marines- Ship mounted DEW points as well as Kinetic Force Weaponry(KFW's, KKV's) are being evaluated and deployed for carrier defense.
Energy projection fields are reportedly able to cause a sea wall to discharge from the carrier hull ++++++d to around 2,500 feet. The wall of water can currently reach a height of 40-50 feet and move upwards of 600 miles per hour. Sea skimming antiship missles are currently incapable of evading this last ditch defense.
Not to mention that the Aegis cruisers are able to fill the air with a blanket of anti-anti-missles all targeted by AWACS and the carrier.

Airforce- aircraft mounted dews of varying types: laser, EMP, particle

I laugh over these tin pot countries that think getting advanced jets and nukes will keep them safe and strong.
The F-14-15-16-117-22-etc; maintenance of these planes is prohibitively expensive. The Red Airforce went belly up trying to deploy counter air wings to ours. Their MiGs and Sukhoi aircraft while beautiful works of engineering, were out of their financial league. There was no way the Soviets could field AND develop new craft to keep pace with US.
Lots of people worried over the Russian Federation selling the manufacturing license of the Su-27 to China. I didn't bat an eye, I laughed heartily. I will have to thank the russkies for selling the chinks that flying money pit someday.
Don't get me wrong, the Su-27 is one of the finest aircraft currently in service of any airforce. Many of it's advanced avionics don't have an equal with anything other than our F-22 and ATF; neither of which are projected to be deployed until near 2010.
But it is a tempermental aircraft at best, our jet engines are leagues more reliable and robust. The Su-27 needs it's jet engines rebuilt almost 3 times before an F-15 needs it's first.
Advanced jet aircraft burn money at an even faster rate than their fuel on afterburner.
China can't afford the long term investment involved, but they'll find that out soon enough.

Let me put it in way you all will understand.
Even if Bill Gates came up and gave you a helocopter for free, I doubt any of you could afford to keep it past one day. Their maintenance list is extensive, ignore it and you got one hell of an odd looking flying coffin.

Russia, a country with more natural resources than any other nation on the face of this planet(goes to show you just how much socialism can screw a nation up), went broke trying to match the US militarily and in aerospace.
Their Red Army is in mothballs.
Their one aircraft carrier barely got built, got chopped from it's intended length to a stubbier one, and it's in port almost 95% of the time.
Their once mighty sub fleet is a fragmented ghost of its former self.
They built one space shuttle that flew once, and got mothballed right afterwards because they couldn't afford it.
Their nuclear rocket force cost three times it's initial start up cost just to maintain. The former USSR looked on SALT and START as means of junking old hazardous rockets and replacing them with newer(cheaper) ones.

Their people went hungry in the former soviet union's quest for supremacy over the US. That is why they lost the cold war.

And China wants to go down that road? Har dee Har Har, be my guest. But don't say you weren't warned.

the west is the best
the west
is
the best

give in

and we'll do the rest
...........................mr mojo risin

[evangelion4]

LOL The F-117 is a stealth bomber (that can be detected by Japanese radar) moron. But i must admit im a big fan of the F-14 (that's all america really needs). The thing i line about the F-14 is that it's a long range interceptor, the AIM-54 (AA missile AKA the Buffalo) has a rang of about 150 km which well over most bomber escorts radar range. And yes the MiG's are fantastic, cheap and very efficient, my favorite is the MiG-29 yes it's old but was feared and respected by it's enemy's during it's time.


Yeah the laser system is good for normal long range missiles, but i doubt they'll use it against a long range nuke (blowing up a nuke while it's traveling through neutral territory isn't a good thing)

*EDIT*

Blowing up a nuke anywhere isn't a good thing :)

[FORSAKEN]

its not up to me to decide
but whatever happens i couldnt care less as long as i have a computer to wake up to with the internet LOL :D

[fetro]

lol

[Bandit]

USA will never die, take a chill pill, i say USA is a very good place i wish i visited USA.

[JAGPANZER]

evan you ignorant slut.

If you been paying attention to to what I said instead of hopping from bath house to bath house like a towel boy.
You would have comprehended that I never once said anything about the F117 other than it was prohibitively expensive to maintain.
But with a scrotum blocking your field of view, I supose I must give you some latitude.

Only a true moron would think that the japs have "the" detection method for detecting 2nd gen stealth aircraft.
Our stealth craft are designed to defeat short wave doppler pulse radar: the most common form of radar.
However, our aircraft show up quite well on long wave radar. The problem is that long wave was outmoded back in the mid-1960's in favor of more accurate and efficient short wave radar. Long wave radar is really only good for detecting stealth aircraft. Ironically the russian federation still has a few obsolete, barely functional long wave radar domes left over from the 1950's. But parts are hard to obtain and the stations use a lot of juice.

3rd generation stealth(ghostrider, aurora) are not dectectable when in full flight form by any currently known technologies....period.

The Jap method uses multiple cell relay towers and triangulates the position of the aircraft by the carrier wave distortions. Effective, but very vulnerable cell towers are prime targets for spec ops and wild weasel groups.. Coverage is limited to tower placement, and the towers can't be effectively camoflaged and still be effective.

[Dr.MAD]

Originally posted by BRICK


Sorry to tell you this but it wasn't just the U.S who fought in WWII :doh:

You are right. America is a very powerful country, that's sure. BUT they are not alone. There are other countries or unions that are (maybe not as powerful as USA) but they ARE powerful as well.

America did many things during WWII (good things) but they weren't alone: my grandfather (French) fought nazi's as well, my friend's grandfather (also French) even fought during the landings in Normandy.

[JAGPANZER]

I wuz waiting for you froggy baby.

YES, you are right aboot everything you stated for the most part.

Props to your nazi slaying gramps.

Yeah there are other unions on this planet. And it was alot easier winning WWII with you than without you.

But we still could have, albeit we would have probably raining atomic sorties down ASAP instead of slogging it out conventionally. Not a good thing for eurasia, since we were the only atomic dogs on the block at that time our homeland would pretty much be untouched save a jap ballon bomb or two.

France, the only western alliance nation with it's own aircraft carriers, submarine force, and it's own independently controlled thermonuclear ballistic missle fleet complimented with air. sub, and silo launched delivery vehicles.
The UK and GDR's strategic missle fleet ALL have triggers controlled by Washington.
But only France has Paris to answer to.

I guess after WWI and II the froggies aren't going to put themselves at the mercy of anyone, or having to rely on someone else to haul their chestnuts out of the fire.
De Galle(?) was one magnificent bastard, you got to give him that.

Gruesome is to consider that the franco nuclear fleet was intended for defense from germany. Is Berlin still targeted? Rhetorical really, who ever knows for sure ain't telling us.

Good show.